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Jekyll 02-03-2008 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 378125)
That's what I call a knock-out punch! :crazyluv
Anyone who thinks that Res 4 was about TV has no clue about organizational government.

bishoph 02-03-2008 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by NLYP (Post 378131)
Sad part is...they will find some way to refute it...They will say Im a compromiser....that I water down my embalming fluids.......that I cut corners on my mouth glue....that I dont put on underwear....that I used too much make up!!!!
Your too funny......lol.

Not so sure it is a knock out punch!

The truth is, there are times that TV advertising works, (Your church is a good example) this is not, however, the statistical norm. Again this is not my opinion, it is soundly based on the research of respected church growth analysts such as Barna and company. (His research indicates that less than 1% of people attending any kind of religious institution are there directly or indirectly from TV.) We can all find someone that it works for, however, you cannot build a case on a very small sampling of churches, you must use the law of averages wisely.

For every 1 church you can find that it works for, the research/statistics will show 10 that it did not work for. Incidentally, advertising for a business does have a completely different set of statistics. I do not know if there have been any correlation studies done to see why it is effective for businesses and not for churches.

BoredOutOfMyMind 02-03-2008 02:34 AM
Re: Concerning Tulsa, could sombody please answer
 
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Originally Posted by bishoph (Post 377666)
Bro. Neckstadt. I enjoy many of your postings, got to disagree with you here though. The tithing thing is not a WPF created thing by any means. The UPCI has been doing this for many years. If you are a full-time minister in the UPCI in most districts you are required to pay tithes to the district.

As for the rest of your post on this subject I respect your attempt at sarcasm/satire lol.:toofunny
I Tithe to my local church. I pay fees to District and National levels....

:2cents

scotty 02-03-2008 06:21 AM
Re: Concerning Tulsa, could sombody please answer
 
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Originally Posted by bishoph (Post 378270)
Your too funny......lol.

Not so sure it is a knock out punch!

The truth is, there are times that TV advertising works, (Your church is a good example) this is not, however, the statistical norm. Again this is not my opinion, it is soundly based on the research of respected church growth analysts such as Barna and company. (His research indicates that less than 1% of people attending any kind of religious institution are there directly or indirectly from TV.) We can all find someone that it works for, however, you cannot build a case on a very small sampling of churches, you must use the law of averages wisely.

For every 1 church you can find that it works for, the research/statistics will show 10 that it did not work for. Incidentally, advertising for a business does have a completely different set of statistics. I do not know if there have been any correlation studies done to see why it is effective for businesses and not for churches.
Impressive, didn't think anyone actually studied such data. You are correct. And so I will add, the number one media tool for the church is that very thing we are tapping on. A study poll of Ark, La, and Tx churches showed that 70% of those not already affiliated with a church will visit a churches website before going.

StillStanding 02-03-2008 08:53 AM
Re: Concerning Tulsa, could sombody please answer
 
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Originally Posted by bishoph (Post 378270)
Your too funny......lol.

Not so sure it is a knock out punch!

The truth is, there are times that TV advertising works, (Your church is a good example) this is not, however, the statistical norm. Again this is not my opinion, it is soundly based on the research of respected church growth analysts such as Barna and company. (His research indicates that less than 1% of people attending any kind of religious institution are there directly or indirectly from TV.) We can all find someone that it works for, however, you cannot build a case on a very small sampling of churches, you must use the law of averages wisely.

For every 1 church you can find that it works for, the research/statistics will show 10 that it did not work for. Incidentally, advertising for a business does have a completely different set of statistics. I do not know if there have been any correlation studies done to see why it is effective for businesses and not for churches.
I understand what you're saying, but should the rest snuff out the ONE church that is having success with TV?

scotty 02-03-2008 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 378334)
I understand what you're saying, but should the rest snuff out the ONE church that is having success with TV?
Not at all

rgcraig 02-03-2008 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Jekyll (Post 378217)
They just let you sin and lust in secret.
I think you missed the point that he was tic and said TV chat rooms!

However, your point is RIGHT on in regards to the internet!

Monkeyman 02-03-2008 09:29 AM
Re: Concerning Tulsa, could sombody please answer
 
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Originally Posted by bishoph (Post 378270)
Your too funny......lol.

Not so sure it is a knock out punch!

The truth is, there are times that TV advertising works, (Your church is a good example) this is not, however, the statistical norm. Again this is not my opinion, it is soundly based on the research of respected church growth analysts such as Barna and company. (His research indicates that less than 1% of people attending any kind of religious institution are there directly or indirectly from TV.) We can all find someone that it works for, however, you cannot build a case on a very small sampling of churches, you must use the law of averages wisely.

For every 1 church you can find that it works for, the research/statistics will show 10 that it did not work for. Incidentally, advertising for a business does have a completely different set of statistics. I do not know if there have been any correlation studies done to see why it is effective for businesses and not for churches.
Please give me Barna's stats on how many come in cuz they preach against watches????:TulsaNO:

bishoph 02-03-2008 09:49 AM
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Well.............................since I don't preach against watches I haven't researched those stats. LOL The most important thing I can preach and teach is having a true relationship with Jesus Christ. If that is realized everything else will come in alignment with his principles and desires. I will say what he wants me to say, dress in a way that is pleasing to him, go where he wants me to go, act as he would have me to act, and love as he would love. All of this out of love/relationship not commandment!

NLYP 02-03-2008 11:48 AM
Re: Concerning Tulsa, could sombody please answer
 
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Originally Posted by bishoph (Post 378270)
Your too funny......lol.

Not so sure it is a knock out punch!

The truth is, there are times that TV advertising works, (Your church is a good example) this is not, however, the statistical norm. Again this is not my opinion, it is soundly based on the research of respected church growth analysts such as Barna and company. (His research indicates that less than 1% of people attending any kind of religious institution are there directly or indirectly from TV.) We can all find someone that it works for, however, you cannot build a case on a very small sampling of churches, you must use the law of averages wisely.

For every 1 church you can find that it works for, the research/statistics will show 10 that it did not work for. Incidentally, advertising for a business does have a completely different set of statistics. I do not know if there have been any correlation studies done to see why it is effective for businesses and not for churches.
Brother...Humbly I as you this question......even if the "norm" is as you say.....was it not worth just one soul? or in the case of this church worth 300 souls? Did that make us compromisers??
The problem is we have created folks that are little pastoral robots....that have not been allowed think for themselves. Its time to go back to Holy Ghost and less pulpit.

The TV issue is ALL about control.....period. Its a pastoral mandate by a MINORITY of ministers that feel they must hold on to what they deem apostolic.
UGH....its so sad....
But back to my question.....JESUS risked losing his ENTIRE following by eating with sinners and meeting with a sinful women at the well....did he worry about the opinion of the following or the lost soul that needed him?

Could be he might have taught his followers...and knew they were big boys and girls...

So....he risked it all for one........

THATS why I am ANTI WPF....resolution 4 risked it all to say lets try to reach more folks.....

WPF says we did not get our way...our religious system is more valuable than the souls we could reach. With all the fussing of the followers....seems they might just need to grow up.


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