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chosenbyone 06-04-2008 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 483578)
That's the point I've been trying to make...we've been getting a lot of information from talking heads on all sides, but very little news. I believe that given the global climate (political, social, financial, and environmental) and the decisions that have jeopardized our standing in each of these areas, this will be a very important decision. I'm tired of all the partisan "pundits" and extremists on all sides with the scare tactics and innuendos.
It is impossible to make wise decisions with flawed and skewered information.

Hey, brother, you're preaching to the choir!

George 06-04-2008 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 483381)
DT ... most liberal? Anymore liberal than Clinton was?

Surely we became socialists in the 90's

Give me a break. Let's have a serious discussion.

He's a Senator like McCain ... hello.

His own senate peers labeled Obama the most liberal

tstew 06-04-2008 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by chosenbyone (Post 483590)
Hey, brother, you're preaching to the choir!

Yeah, well I've been a music director long enough to know that they need it the most .
Sunday : :choir
Monday : :thad
Tuesday : :hurtyou
Wednesday: :largehalo
Thursday : :pirates
Friday: :redheels
Saturday: :feral
Sunday : :sing

tstew 06-04-2008 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by George (Post 483595)
His own senate peers labeled Obama the most liberal

George, I believe it was the National Journal that labeled him as such. I'm not sure the other Senators voted on that.

CC1 06-04-2008 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by chosenbyone (Post 483590)
Hey, brother, you're preaching to the choir!

Maybe your choir. Not mine.

It is silly for concerns about Obama to just be waved off as having come from "talking heads" on TV.

By any measure he is an extremely liberal Senator. That is FACTUAL from his voting record and previous publicly stated positions. Not from a talking head.

His past close associations are FACT not from some talking head.

No "talking head" forced him to sit for 20 years in a radical church under a radical pastor espousing Black Liberation Theology and accusing the Federal Government of creating AIDS to kill Black people!!!

Puleeeze!!! Stop it with the idea that we are all just stupid numb robots listening to talk radio. We have brains and see the evidence.

chosenbyone 06-04-2008 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 483614)
Maybe your choir. Not mine.

It is silly for concerns about Obama to just be waved off as having come from "talking heads" on TV.

By any measure he is an extremely liberal Senator. That is FACTUAL from his voting record and previous publicly stated positions. Not from a talking head.

His past close associations are FACT not from some talking head.

No "talking head" forced him to sit for 20 years in a radical church under a radical pastor espousing Black Liberation Theology and accusing the Federal Government of creating AIDS to kill Black people!!!

Puleeeze!!! Stop it with the idea that we are all just stupid numb robots listening to talk radio. We have brains and see the evidence.

Wow!!! Settle down, CC1!

No one stated or implied, at least that I was aware of, that you were a stupid numb(?) robot! Take a deep breath! I am not here to argue, fight or stoop to name calling, friend.

tstew 06-04-2008 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 483614)
Maybe your choir. Not mine.

It is silly for concerns about Obama to just be waved off as having come from "talking heads" on TV.

By any measure he is an extremely liberal Senator. That is FACTUAL from his voting record and previous publicly stated positions. Not from a talking head.

His past close associations are FACT not from some talking head.

No "talking head" forced him to sit for 20 years in a radical church under a radical pastor espousing Black Liberation Theology and accusing the Federal Government of creating AIDS to kill Black people!!!

Puleeeze!!! Stop it with the idea that we are all just stupid numb robots listening to talk radio. We have brains and see the evidence.

CC I would never make that sort of broad generalization about people that I have never met or know very little about. My whole point agrees with your line about seeing the evidence. I just want to see facts. It is not enough for me to have a faceless group of people tell me that he votes the most liberal. I wanted to see the actual votes and the actual issues and see the criteria and determine for myself whether I agree or disagree with his votes.
According to the rating system, they tell you that they are not grading him as it relates to the issues, but instead on how his votes compare to other politicians. In this day of partisan politics that is not enough for me. I had to see the actual votes and the actual issues.

Here is the link, if anyone is interested. http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/votes.htm

DividedThigh 06-04-2008 01:03 PM

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now we are gettin somewhere, lol, let the games begin, lol

Ferd 06-04-2008 01:06 PM

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Here is what I know. he wants to raise my taxes, he wants to increase spending by a trillion dollars, and he wants to loose the war in Iraq. AND he will appoint idiots like Ginsburg to the supreme court.

AND he wants to nationalize health care.

I dont care if he is more conservitive than Attila the Hun. If he wants to do the above, he needs to be elected sewage system cleaner not president.

tstew 06-04-2008 01:06 PM

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For example...just to illustrate my point. This is the first vote that is listed:

Establish a Senate Office of Public Integrity to handle ethics complaints against senators. January 18. (27-71) C-1

Obama's vote of Yes is in keeping with what they consider to be the votes of Liberal politicians so that is one in the "negative" ledger.


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