AB you have hit the nail on the head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I have yet to have met the first one who could order a bagel or kosher hot dog in Hebrew yet they want to teach me Hebrew. I am a English speaking preacher and not ashamed of it.

I appreciate your respectful tone in presenting your thoughts here.

I see your point 100% and agree with you.

One question though... the thread was started concerning those who would criticize one for using the term Yeshua (or any other possibly more correct version).

The term I was speaking of was not Jehovah but was, instead the very term you speak of meaning.. Jehovah has become our salvation.

The term I was speaking of was not that of Jehovah and I fully understand and appreciate your reasons for not substituting Jehovah for Jesus.

Somewhere we are not understanding what each other is saying it could full well be me... if you could help us get on the same page here it would be appreciated.

Hi Steve,

There are now possibly MILLIONS of people who are using a Hebrew/Aramaic version of the name. Its doubtful you have conversed with very many compared to those who do.

As the move of those desiring to know the original name has progressed many are doing studies in Hebrew. Im sure there are some who could speak some Hebrew for you.

And consider this. Of the vast amount of people who are now using the Hebrew version I doubt that many of them would ask you to be ashamed that you speak English.

Mike,

A serious question ... is this Hebrew name doctrine ... salvational in your opinion or merely a personal conviction?

Digging4truth said:

One question though... the thread was started concerning those who would criticize one for using the term Yeshua (or any other possibly more correct version).

Me:

Yes that was the topic. The only reason I have seen so far is because we speak English therefore we should ONLY use the English version Jesus.

Yet if that applies to all nations then Jews would not be allowed to use Jesus! They would ONLY be allowed to use Yeshua.

Here is something else that is relavent to the topic.

Joel prophesied:

30: And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
32: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. Joel 2:30-32

Of course where we see LORD the Hebrew is YHWH. so it was prophesied whoever calls on the name of YHWH shall be saved.

Yet in the New Testament the name we see people calling on the name of Jesus or Yeshua.

This is where we need to be able to connect the name Jesus/Yeshua to the name YHWH. The name must somehow either be the same or at least contain the name YHWH.

That is a good question...

If someone is teaching this as salvational... that is one thing...

But if it is just something that they feel in their heart to do... then I just don't understand why people have to go and attack them if this is the way they choose.

Micheal,
I am wanting to know a similar answer to what Dan asked in his last post.

I can not consider anything that AB said (or Steve) was diminishing the validity of the Hebrew-speaking faithful expressing God's name from the tongue of their understanding.

What comes around in these discussions is whether the efficacy of the spoken name is lessened or non-existent when the tongue that speaks it is something other than Hebrew or Aramaic or whatever!

I personally see an application here of the principle that God is no respector of persons.

Please consider continuing your participation in this thread (a topic that seems to be one in which you are very passionate), and plainly share if you believe in that speaking the English word JESUS has less, or the same, efficacy in the realm of spiritual dominions and authorities then the Hebraic utterence/sounding of the same name?

thanks.

I stated early in the thread my position is not that there is no salvation in the English name Jesus. It is the most wonderful name in English. But if we have the same sounds in our language they had in the Hebrew why not use the original? We know for sure at Pentecost Peter told no one to call on or be baptized in an English name.

Jesus is the legitimate transliteration from Greek into English. But it can be brought into English from the original Hebrew/Aramaic of that day bringing us closer to the original. That may not be important to everyone but it is to me.

I respect your personal belief and your reasons behind it ... would this affect your fellowship with those who do not see the value of this type of conviction?

Anyone agree or disagree w/ this?