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Here is a copy of a study I recently taught to our church family.
Asleep in the Grave, Awakened to Everlasting Life The resurrection of the dead gives hope to the Christian. Yet when asked how it takes place and in what manner it will occur, many of these same saints may feel hopeless to explain. Understanding the time and nature of the resurrection will affect how you view God’s Word. That is why it’s of paramount importance that every child of God has a clear understanding of what the Bible says about this subject. When we look in our Bible we see the promise of never seeing “the grave” or “death” is aligned with a believer being “transformed” from their body in a “spiritual resurrection.” This is the difference between reanimation of flesh and transformation from flesh. But before the resurrection came into fruition, deceased saints are described in the Bible as being in a state of “sleep” (See Deu 31:16; 1Ki 1:21; Acts 13:36; 1Co 15:51; 1Th 4:14). Daniel spoke of this… Daniel 12:2Daniel placed those in the grave in a place of rest while waiting for the prophesied time when they would awaken to eternal life. Concerning “dust,” the Bible says that a dead body returns to the same substance from which it was made. Genesis 3:19Look at this same verse in Psalms is translated in the English Standard Version. Psalms 90:3 ESVThe timeframe Daniel placed for those sleeping to awake to everlasting life is found in the following verse: Daniel 12:7"Time, times, and a half" is prophetic language for “1-year,” “2-years,” and “½ year,” which equates to 3½ years, 42 months, or 1260 days. Each of these times is used in the Bible to refer to the 3½ year AD70 siege and destruction of Jerusalem and her Temple. The Temple was burnt August 10, AD70 (the Jewish Ninth of Av), the exact day and month on which it had been burnt by the king of Babylon many years before. Part 1 of 2 |
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THE NEW COVENANT AND THE RESURRECTION The faithful who had died prior to this "Great Tribulation" were resurrected from their graves in AD70 to go and live forever in the presence of their Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Daniel 12:1-3Paul spoke of this time in the following verses: 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18Jesus said this was to occur during the AD70 judgment of Jerusalem. Matthew 13:41-43This collates with Daniel’s statement… Daniel 12:3Paul indicated that those awake during that time will receive the same promise of eternal life. 1 Thessalonians 4:17Paul's promise is the same as that which Jesus made to Martha. John 11:26Those who were alive after AD70 were given the same hope of eternal life only with a more powerful promise—they would never experience the grave or death! John 3:16"Perish" means "death," and "everlasting life" means "continuing without end, immortal." Jesus literally died so that His followers would never see death, but would instead pass from this world into life eternal. A physical resurrection would not allow this promise to be true today, but a spiritual resurrection would, and a spiritual resurrection is what we find promised in the Bible. This was the inspiration for the words of the old Christian hymn, Sweet Hour: “Upon leaving our physical robe of flesh behind, we do spiritually enter that perfect land—Beulah Land—the eternal home of the righteous—the city whose builder and maker is God!” – Sweet Hour, William B. Bradbury, 1861 The thing that made Nicodemus take notice was that he knew Jesus’ talk of a birth of the "Spirit," was prophesied to take place during the time of the Messiah. He knew the Torah said this time would happen during the last days of the Jewish age (See John 3; Isa 61:1-2; Eze 11:17-21, 36:25-27; Joel 2:28-32; Acts 2:16-21). These “last days” were the same days as those prophesied by Daniel. He foretold that they would conclude with the resurrection of the dead. Since Daniel spoke of the destruction of AD70, and since those days are now past, then the resurrection he spoke of has occurred. This means that when a man or woman, who’s been Born Again in Jesus' name, breathes their last breathe in this life, they are translated from their flesh body, and instantly go into the eternal kingdom of the Lord God. This was the promise of Jesus; that His believers would never see the grave or death. Paul spoke of this promise in the next verses. Romans 6:3-11Peter gave witness to this same promise in his first Epistle. 1 Peter 4:6The New Testament mentions this same promise of a ‘new spiritual life’ and ‘everlasting life’ in these verses such as: John 3:15-18, 4:14, 5:24, 6:50, 6:54-58, 8:51-53, 10:28; Romans 8:13; 1John 5:10-12. A believer in Jesus cannot die. For them, “death” is a doorway through which they enter into eternity. 2 Corinthians 5:8The last trump sounded at AD70 when the “holy people's strength” was “scattered” (Daniel 12:7). This occurred during the same Jewish generation that crucified Jesus, saw the armies of Titus make their house (The Jewish Temple) desolate, and also scattered their survivors throughout the known world of their day (See Dan 12:7; Mat 23:37-38, 24:1-2; Luke 21:6, 20; Zec 13:6-9 / See “This Generation” Mat 24:34; Mark 13:30-31; Luke 21:32-33 / See “These Things” Mat 24:6; Mark 13:29; Luke 21:31). This then means that the resurrection of those asleep in the grave has already taken place, and now, when a saint of God dies, they leave their earthly body and are instantly translated to the presence of the Lord Jesus Christ, where they will remain for eternity. |
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Rev.20:4: And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5: But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Michael,We know souls are not under the altar the same as they are not in Abrahams bosom.Many stories and parables and visions are not true as seen or told but they show us things.As we read the bible many time people are referred to as souls because the soul is the memory of our fleshly body but I believe at our death our memory seperates from our bodies and goes to paradise with our spirit.So when a person is killed or dead it can be said the soul is killed but that don't mean it is dead if it seperates from the body and goes to paradise.It's very clear these are given robes and they talk and they are in a place of rest and they know what is going on around them as the dead unsaved knows. |
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The context proves it is when we receive immortality. He had already taught those same people WHEN that would happen in 1 Cor. 15. The second coming, the last trump. Your "imposed" doctrine that all the scriptures that speak of the dead receiving life refer merely to dead bodies blinds you from the truth. Why dont you deal with this: Over and over Preachers tell us the mass of scripture that teaches THE DEAD are given life at resurrection is only talking about DEAD BODIES AND NOT THE DEAD THEMSELVES. Take 1 Cor. 15. Paul goes into great detail teaching us about when we are made alive. When we are given immortality. Its all about the GOOD NEWS. The GOSPEL and the good news are one. Lets think on this scripture: 32: If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die. 1 Cor. 15:32 How could Paul say this if he thought his "immortal soul" automatically went to be with Jesus at death? Why would he say the Christian message would have no advantage if it were not for THE RESURRECTION? But Paul! Dont we go to Heaven WHEN WE DIE? Are we not rejoicing and praising the Almighty at the throne? Isnt the resurrection just a SECONDARY EVENT that really adds little to the great eternal life we receive at death? Friends Paul said IF THE DEAD RISE NOT. This "rising"is THE RESURRECTION PLAINLY. He says APART FROM THE RESURRECTION we might as well eat and drink and have fun. Pauls HOPE was the RESURRECTION. 14: But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: 15: And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust. Acts 24:14-15 How could Paul say there is no advantage to being a Christian if the DEAD RISE NOT if indeed there are those who have been enjoying their eternal life and immortality right now in Heaven? Why was not Pauls HOPE in the fact he would have instant Heaven and eternal life at death? It obviously was not if it was THE RESURRECTION. Its obvious that most think THAT experience is a far greater hope than the resurrection. See it? There would most CERTAINLY be advantage in being a Christian if as soon as we die we have eternal life. But here Paul seems to not even be aware of such a thing! He is preaching to them the GOSPEL (good news) that he believed in. The whole chapter he is telling us about the resurrection of THE DEAD not merely dead bodies. What great thing would we be gaining if we had been alive in Heaven for 2000 years and then we gained a body? What were we doing in Heaven those 2000 years without one? And how would having one add anything to us when we are already immortal beings with eternal life? If the DEAD RISE NOT let us go party! In this whole chapter dedicated to telling about THE GOOD NEWS ( the gospel) there is not one word about anyone having eternal life BEFORE THE SECOND COMING WHEN THE DEAD ARE RAISED! There is the deception. |
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Here you are ADMITTING it is not a literal story. That puts us both on the same ground. I say it is a story made to fit the Pharisee belief concerning the dead actually being the living. Josephus: 1: Now as to hades, wherin the souls of the righteous and unrighteous are detained, it is necessary to speak of it. Hades is a place in the world not regularly finished; a subterraneous region, wherin the light of this world does not shine; from which circumstance, that in this region the light does not shine, it cannot be but there must be in it perpetual darkness. This place is alloted as a place of custody for souls, in which angels are appointed as guardians to them, who distribute to them temporary punishments, agreeable to everyone's behavior and manners. 3: For there is one descent into this region, at whose gate WE believe (I wonder who the we is?) there stands an archangel with a host; which gate when those pass through that are conducted down by the angels appointed over souls, the do not go the same way; but the just are guided to the right hand, and are led with hymns, sung by the angels appointed over that place, unto a region of light, in which the just have dwelt from the beginning the world; not constrained by necessity, but ever enjoying the prospect of the good things they see, and rejoice in the expectation of those new enjoyments, ............. etc etc. This is the Pharisee belief. Does it sound like anything you have read in the Old Testament? True it was a doctrine of that time but where did it come from? No Old Testament backing at all. If you can point out the Prophets teaching this in the Bible I will change my belief and admit you all are right and I was wrong. Yeshua simply used their own belief to point out their covetousness and that even to their own belief they would suffer for it. Even YOU admit there was no man standing in Hades fire talking to Abraham. |
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As to your experience I can only try to relate it to what is written. One of the strongest arguments soul sleep offers is that IF indeed man has a spirit body inside of him that lives separate and apart from his physical body WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT OF THE RESURRECTION? Now you are explaining that this ETERNAL, IMMORTAL, SPIRIT BODY suffers from the cold and heat. Hmmmm. So in Heaven it would seem these spirits would really have no comfort would they? You all keep saying how we have to be united to a body after thousands of years being in Heaven as a way to still believe in the resurrection. So again this doesnt make going to heaven as a Spirit only sound that great. One might get to hot or to cold! Your last point I can hardly believe. What Bible do you have that the spirits of the wicked dead are hanging around on the Earth with devils? So you think soul bodies are in Hell, spirit bodies are roaming the Earth with devils and bodies are in the grave if I understand you. So we have spirit bodies, soul bodies, and flesh bodies. Sorry Joel.:whistle I do hope you are spared the Hurricane. |
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You say the soul is the memory of our body. Then at death it unites with the Spirit and goes to Paradise. Ok. That is a lot like I personally believe. The Spirit DOES go back to God who gave it. The memory of the PERSON is I believe "filed away" in the BOOK OF REMEMBERANCE. Then those who feared Yahweh spoke one with another; and Yahweh listened, and heard, and a book of memory was written before him, for those who feared Yahweh, and who honored his name. Malachi 3:16 World English Bible I believe THIS is the answer we look for. The Spirit does indeed go back to God. It is our life essence. The memory of who we are and what we did is contained there. It is inactive until the resurrection. Then we come back ALIVE! That is the meaning of the spiritual illustration of the souls under the altar. THEY ARE TOLD TO REST. BINGO! |
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[11] Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself. |
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