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Timmy 05-24-2009 01:02 PM

Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine
 
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Originally Posted by Light (Post 752662)

I know people who have change and if you looked at them you would say they are christians. They live a cleaner life than some christians I know. People can change without God. Oh BTW they don't believe there is a God.

Sounds like you would agree with this ad:

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...=2009905190380

Hoovie 05-24-2009 03:14 PM

Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine
 
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 752682)
I know many wonderful people that are honest and kind and great neighbors and family and I appreciate them however to be a brother or sister you MUST be born again Jn.3:5 & Acts 2:38. NO one is in the church without a New Father that comes from a new birth. Salvation is NOT by works but by birth.

But those Christians who do accept John 3:5 as do we, yet have arrived at a somewhat different interpretation
of the same, I will not be quick to judge them lest God will also quickly judge me.

Sister Alvear 05-24-2009 04:22 PM

Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine
 
While I personally am what is called here a 3 stepper...I am thankful for those that walk in any light they see for I know that light can shine birghter and brighter...no one was born knowing truth ...
and as far as judging I leave that up to God...I preach what I feel it takes to be saved...HE and HE alone decides who will be saved...I pray that if I have failed that His mercy will be shown to me on that great day...I want to walk softly in his presence and find His favor.

ManOfWord 05-24-2009 04:53 PM

Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine
 
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Originally Posted by Light (Post 752662)

I know people who have change and if you looked at them you would say they are christians. They live a cleaner life than some christians I know. People can change without God. Oh BTW they don't believe there is a God.

We're not talking about people who simply have a change of life. We're not talking about people who live a clean life. We're talking about people who have surrendered their lives to Jesus Christ, sincerely, honestly and wholeheartedly. We're talking about people who love God and His word. We're talking about people who have been baptized (in the titles) and received the HGB and people who have been baptized in Jesus' name and who have not yet spoken in tongues.

We're not talking about people who don't believe there is a God. :D

ManOfWord 05-24-2009 05:04 PM

Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine
 
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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 752695)
Sounds like you would agree with this ad:

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...=2009905190380

Hey, I agree with that ad. One does not need God to be good. There are plenty of good people. One can be good and not be saved. :D

Timmy 05-24-2009 05:11 PM

Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine
 
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Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 752706)
Hey, I agree with that ad. One does not need God to be good. There are plenty of good people. One can be good and not be saved. :D

So, there will be good people burning in hell? Sounds like your argument against the 3-step might apply to the 1-step, as well.

Steve Epley 05-24-2009 05:11 PM

Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine
 
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 752698)
But those Christians who do accept John 3:5 as do we, yet have arrived at a somewhat different interpretationof the same, I will not be quick to judge them lest God will also quickly judge me.

And do the Mormons, JWs, Catholics, sounds like Carlton Pearson to me. Everyone is saved if they do what they feel is right.
Maybe 9 inches is really a foot?
Maybe 12 oz. is really a pound?
Who said it took 12 inches to make a foot or 16 oz to make a pound?
They must have been real dogmatic.:thumbsup

staysharp 05-24-2009 05:24 PM

Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine
 
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 752709)
And do the Mormons, JWs, Catholics, sounds like Carlton Pearson to me. Everyone is saved if they do what they feel is right.
Maybe 9 inches is really a foot?
Maybe 12 oz. is really a pound?
Who said it took 12 inches to make a foot or 16 oz to make a pound?
They must have been real dogmatic.:thumbsup

Repentance

Repentance is one of the first principles of the gospel and is essential to our temporal and eternal happiness. It is much more than just acknowledging wrongdoings. It is a change of mind and heart that gives us a fresh view about God, about ourselves, and about the world. It includes turning away from sin and turning to God for forgiveness. It is motivated by love for God and the sincere desire to obey His commandments.

Do u have a problem with this?

staysharp 05-24-2009 05:27 PM

Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine
 
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Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 752706)
Hey, I agree with that ad. One does not need God to be good. There are plenty of good people. One can be good and not be saved. :D

If you're in hell you're not good. All goodness comes from our heavenly father which is from above. Man is inherently sinful. Jesus told the ruler..."why do you call me good?"

The only ones who will dwell with Christ in His eternal Kingdom are those who have received and accepted His work on our behalf.

staysharp 05-24-2009 05:34 PM

Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine
 
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Originally Posted by LUKE2447 (Post 752656)
Anyone that thinks repentance is not a work is saying so because their theology makes them come to a unbiblical position and alter the whole of what the Bible says. You must repent or everything else means nothing. Not God doing all the work in the relationship. He brought forth the provision the rest is up to you!

Repentance is a gift from God. It is His goodness that leads us to repentance. Without the Holy Spirit convicting our hearts, we would not even understand our need to repent.


Romans 2:4 (New International Version)
4Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?

John 16:8
When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment:


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