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Re: "death panels" obamacare

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 786833)

Well you imagine whatever suits you. I HEARD him more than once on two different stations say exactly what I told you. But it is obvious you don't want to hear the truth regarding Obama.

If you heard it on multiple occasions, then I would imagine it wouldn't be too hard to pull an article somewhere, or a video.

Re: "death panels" obamacare

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 786833)

Well you imagine whatever suits you. I HEARD him more than once on two different stations say exactly what I told you. But it is obvious you don't want to hear the truth regarding Obama.

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Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 786838)

If you heard it on multiple occasions, then I would imagine it wouldn't be too hard to pull an article somewhere, or a video.

That's what I was thinking.

Someone who posts information should be able to back it up with a legitimate source or it's just drivel. JMHO.

And just for the record... I'm not an OBAMA fan! Quite the opposite. I just get so irritated at people posting stuff with no source to back up the info.

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The burden of proof shouldn't be left to those responding to the info--- but on those who post the info to start with...... JMHO.

Re: "death panels" obamacare

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Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 786831)

Since you can't post a source that he denied ever being for a single payer system, we have to imagine it is more misinformation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY9...layer_embedded

Watch this again. You owe us an apology for lying. Obama owes america an apology for lying.

His white house Miss Information director is trying the same garbage. She is calling it "misinformation" when we say Obama has told us he was committed to single payer Federal insurance.

Obama can have sevaral claims out there that are contradictory. He doesn't care about truth.

End justifies the means. He can say anything he wants if it gets Him what He wants.

I am rather angry at the hard headed ness of his cult followers.

Pelozi calls out nazi's and no one has seen a single one.

Re: "death panels" obamacare

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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 786844)

Watch this again. You owe us an apology for lying. Obama owes america an apology for lying.

His white house Miss Information director is trying the same garbage. She is calling it "misinformation" when we say Obama has told us he was committed to single payer Federal insurance.

Obama can have sevaral claims out there that are contradictory. He doesn't care about truth.

End justifies the means. He can say anything he wants if it gets Him what He wants.

I am rather angry at the hard headed ness of his cult followers.

Pelozi calls out nazi's and no one has seen a single one.

Coadie, you are on a whole different planet than us. lol, that video has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

Re: "death panels" obamacare

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Originally Posted by Tina (Post 786842)

Well I'm not sure how to post a radio program on here yet.

Re: "death panels" obamacare

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 786713)

Twisp you must be under the spell of Obama. Newsflash! He LIES!

He said very recently that he never said he was for a one-payer system, yet he is on tape when stomping for the presidency saying the opposite that he is for the one-payer system.

He even admitted that it would take some time before everybody would be brought on the system. Giving you a false hope that you can choose what you want.

Another of him many lies.

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Obama has gone way beyond misinformation to outright disinformation — in plain language, lying.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/1...out-obamacare/
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-a...sia-mistake/2/

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Obama told Diane Sawyer in June that government should “study and figure out what works and what doesn’t. And let’s encourage doctors and patients to get what works. Let’s discourage what doesn’t.”

Sawyer then asked him: “Will it just be encouragement? Or will there be a board

making Solomonic decisions?”

Obama replied, “What I’ve suggested is—is that we have a—a commission that helps—made up of doctors, made up of experts, that helps set best—best practices.”

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When Sawyer pressed him to say whether those practices would be enforced by law, he evaded the question.

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A good part of the explanation has to do with the University of Chicago Law School milieu that Obama comes out of. By far, the most influential figure in that world is Judge Richard Posner, who teaches law at Chicago and publishes streams of pompous, robotically written books that are much praised and little read.

Judge Posner is both an enthusiastic advocate of euthanasia and an energetic eugenicist. He once wrote of Oliver Wendell Holmes’ ideas about eugenics—Holmes believed that a just society “prevents continuance of the unfit”—that “we may yet find [Holmes’] enthusiasms prescient rather than depraved.”

essay arguing, in effect, for a eugenic attitude toward end-of-life treatment written by Peter Singer, a Princeton University “bio-ethicist” whose views are squarely in line with those of Posner and Oliver Wendell Holmes.

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Man Denied Residency Over Son With Down Syndrome
SYDNEY, Australia (AP) ― Click to enlarge1 of 1
The immigration department in Australia denied a badly-needed German doctor residency because his son "did not meet the health requirement."
AP

A German doctor hoping to gain permanent residency in Australia said Friday he will fight an immigration department decision denying his application because his son has Down syndrome. Bernhard Moeller came to Australia with his family two years ago to help fill a doctor shortage in a rural area of Victoria state.

His temporary work visa is valid until 2010, but his application for permanent residency was rejected this week. The immigration department said Moeller's 13-year-old son, Lukas, "did not meet the health requirement."

"A medical officer of the Commonwealth assessed that his son's existing medical condition was likely to result in a significant and ongoing cost to the Australian community," a departmental spokesman said in a statement issued Thursday by the Department of Immigration and Citizenship.

"This is not discrimination. A disability in itself is not grounds for failing the health requirement -- it is a question of the cost implications to the community," the statement said.

http://cbs5.com/health/doctor.denied....2.854029.html

"medical officer of the Commonwealth" that is their title for health panel or death panel.

Re: "death panels" obamacare

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 786355)

And what excuse are they using to include the IRS?

The government has used the IRS as the KGB for America to increase fear. This should not be. The IRS powers need to be reviewed and taken away. They are only supposed to be a collector of money.

AMEN!..plus its not really even Constitutional for the gov't to take
money from our wages, {don't ask why/how I have some research some
where about this, can't remember all the facts presently, I've got
to reread it}!!!!
How the gov't gets away with sooo much is beyond me :foottap
It certainly is no longer a semblance of "by the people, for the people"
perhaps not even OF "the people"..some other DARK prescence is
behind all the deceit., and no its not "conspiracy" stuff either,
(lest someone thinks or says this) I haven't read any but two posts
of this thread so far., ain't got time to read 'em all at this time. :D
WAKE UP AMERICA!

Re: "death panels" obamacare

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Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 786846)

Coadie, you are on a whole different planet than us. lol, that video has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

I'm telling you that ignore button works wonders. :thumbsup