Originally Posted by DAII (Post 862361)

He is still listed on the ministers database .... https://wec.upci.org/ministers

Perhaps he just disaffiliated the church?

Doing so would have ramifications for Life.

Originally Posted by Jeffrey (Post 862365)

options:

1) Dan's right - but why ramifications for Life when so many churches are not affiliated, though its ministers are? Is it a set-up move for what's next?

2) UPCI webmaster is part-time, and needs to log in to AFF more for current news.

Originally Posted by Jeffrey (Post 862371)

Dan - why would a church like Life have any ramifications for pulling out their church? Plenty of churches not not affiliated.

Originally Posted by DAII (Post 862376)

Well, it would require a vote for one ...

and as you stated ... such a move can lead to other things.

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin (Post 862382)

Simple.

By voting to disaffiliate, a church shows the pastor it stands with him, and is in lockstep with his direction.

Originally Posted by DAII (Post 862383)

True ... Of course, this holds true when church business is conducted transparently. ... Of course, I am not specifically talking about this case.

Originally Posted by Jeffrey (Post 862384)

So if they indeed did disaffiliate, there had to have been a church vote. Very interesting.

Originally Posted by DAII (Post 862385)

Yes. Of course, there are always dissenters ... some may see it as a step to move away ... while many times, many of these churches do this for other reasons while still remaining in fellowship through the minister.

Originally Posted by missourimary (Post 862387)

Depends on the church bylaws I think. I was in a church that never voted. Just drove up and the sign had changed. That was several years ago.


And please, will someone tell me what water and spirit doctrine is? Thats a new one for me.

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin (Post 862388)

"If" being the operative word. All of this speculation is not healthy, IMO.

Perhaps it would be best to confirm the info before AFF's minions dissect the situation?

Originally Posted by Jeffrey (Post 862390)

Since no one has done anything but throw out a dozen initials in the form of a riddle, it's safe to say that this is all speculation at this point -- until someone can confirm.

Originally Posted by Esther (Post 862935)

Jeffrey I checked with my source and it is a rumor. There was a meeting about taking the church only out of the organization but not the pastors.
There was no church split although there were several families stirring up trouble.

Hope that helps.

Originally Posted by DAII (Post 862939)

What did Jeff ... say??? Not a thing.

... I think some speculation was offered about disaffiliation and/ or turning in a license.. and according to this ... you have confirmed that this is exactly what is happening ...

There are many reasons to disaffiliate ... I have a hunch there will be more to this.

This is a pillar church of the org ... nothing to sneeze at if Life does make such a decision, imo.

Originally Posted by Esther (Post 862977)

Sorry DA a couple corresponded via PM.

BTW...I am with _____?________ on the outcome.

Originally Posted by TJJJ (Post 863027)

With who?

Would that be PM, DD, TDJ, LMT ABC, VV, VW, FM, AM, SCUBA, LR, JS, DB, NASA, .....?

Whew! Al the PI's got me CO, NF, US, ED!

Originally Posted by RevDWW (Post 863028)

DP of NUMA?

Originally Posted by Jeffrey (Post 886326)

This is true. JH's.