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Praxeas 02-08-2010 09:17 PM
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Also from the text it's easy to see that Pentecost was very different from the other instances

jfrog 02-08-2010 09:19 PM
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on the bright side pel, Sis Alvear may be a useful source of information on these things. Shes heard some of these people speak in languages they did not know. So she can at least be the person that heard the language. I'm kind of curious what the people she heard do this said. Because I'm wanting to know if the tongues they used were more like a prayer language or more like a message from God or what.

pelathais 02-08-2010 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 875481)
I have heard people speak in English that did not know one word in English...also witnessed somene speak in Portuguese here in America and the person did not know Portuguese...
Do you have recordings or video? Are you certain that they were speaking an "unknown language as the Spirit gave the utterance" and not just repeating English phrases they had heard in the service and in the prayers of those around them?

I have prayed with non-English speakers who obviously and consciously attempted to repeated some of the things that I had been saying. It was almost a word-for-word pidgin type of thing in badly accented English, and definitely not "my own tongue wherein I was born."

jfrog 02-08-2010 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 875512)
It's happened in our church. One of the ladies was speaking in japanese and a japanese person was there and understood it
do you know what the japanese person heard? I mean do you know what the person speaking in japanese said?

jfrog 02-08-2010 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 875514)
Also from the text it's easy to see that Pentecost was very different from the other instances
how was it soo different?

Pressing-On 02-08-2010 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Brother David (Post 875510)
I care about everybody, including Agnes Ozman.

You have answered my questions with "Good Grief" and "I can't believe we're discussing this..."

Now, have you ever seen or experienced a modern day example of Acts 2:4-8?

It's a simple question. My follow up was as simple as well, "Why do "Three Steppers" insist that something they have never seen nor experienced is the "evidence of salvation?"
No answer would be sufficient for you because we don't agree.



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And quite out of the ordinary for all of the "salvation experiences" you yourself have witnessed? Can you PM me the name of the sister who spoke in the language of the guests and her email or contact info?

What language was spoken?

Who was the family? Can you send me contact information for them as well? I would like very much to look further into this. Thanks.
No, I won't give you the names or anything. I would rather delight in the knowledge that you think I'm lying. :D

I don't PM strangers either. LOL!

Praxeas 02-08-2010 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 875519)
do you know what the japanese person heard? I mean do you know what the person speaking in japanese said?
No I don't. It was a long long time ago

pelathais 02-08-2010 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 875484)
Yes, that would happen more when you get out of a predominantly English speaking society.
I have lived among people "out[side] of a predominately English speaking society" and prayed with them, sought God with them, sought to win souls with them - I have never heard anyone ever speak in "my own tongue, wherein I was born" (Acts 2:8) who wasn't already an English language speaker or obviously repeating a common phrase that they had heard over and over again like "Praise the Lord."

Nor have I ever heard or seen any evidence of this ever happening. No offense, but I think a lot of folks hear what they want to hear - or like those in many deaf ministries, simply report things that are not the case in order to be able to report having some success.

jfrog 02-08-2010 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 875522)
No I don't. It was a long long time ago
ah. See thats one problem I have with accepting such incidents. No one ever can tell what was said to the person. And I'm really not asking my question to disprove the incident, I really want to know because I'm curious how tongues work in these incidents. Is the person speaking as if he/she is praying or worshipping? Is the person speaking as if he/shes sharing a message from God?

Praxeas 02-08-2010 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 875520)
how was it soo different?
Pentecost, about 120 believers gathered and were praying. After they were filled and began speaking in tongue it was "noised abroad" and a group of foreign speaking jews were gathered.

the other accounts were someone newly becoming a believer and not surrounded by groups that were foreigners.

Cornelius was surrounded by believing Jews from Jerusalem.

Acts 18 the disciples of John were there was Paul and perhaps some of Paul's entourage


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