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Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 340242)

Are you kidding, John Ashcroft is old time AG?

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 340302)

No I'm not kidding, John Ashcraft doesn't have the Holy Ghost. :)

EB, what in the world do you base this on?

:huh

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Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind (Post 340171)

I think the failure here is to create a clean clear correlation between allowing advertising and how that equates what the AG does NOT experience- Holy Ghost Infilling. Someone else brought out that the passing of Resolution #4 would not end at advertising.

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Originally Posted by nahkoe (Post 340172)

They don't?

To make this less cryptic. It's the same Jesus I prayed to in the AoG I pray to now. It's the same Holy Ghost filled me then, as filled me more recently. I don't believe I'm the only one who has had these experiences.

I was addressing that by AG stats only 25% receive this like gift. Leaving 75% who do NOT. Not to say you have an inferior Holy Ghost experience.

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Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC (Post 340040)

Thad....what kind of question is that? You know I am UPC. I think there are those who opposed Res. 4 that would like to see what was described in the first post happen. They spout this stuff off as fact. Come on....advertising equates compromise?

I don't approve of the theology of the AOG. I wholeheartedly stand behind the doctrine of the UPC.

Television advertising equates COMMERCIALISM.

There was no need to consider Res# 4 to bring revival. It's like Simon Magus offering to buy the power to lay hands on people to receive the Holy Ghost. It is also like having John Maxwell teach ministers how to lead? John Maxwell teaches COMPANIES how to train their CEOs. Brother, take a step back because the wall is getting ready to fall.

Don't get me wrong I feel that the UPCI will continue and grow. I just think that with television you will get a high level of commercialism and secularism. Secularism in the sense that churches would gravitate closer to the Joel Olsteen mode of corporate churchanity.

Church is not a business nor is it run by charts and graphs.
Television may force those who are involved in it to compromise what they believe.

The UPCI will be walking into Trinitarian turf and may I remind you that the Trinitarians don't like Jesus Name One God theology, just ask Zondervan publishing.

Voting in Resolution 4 was a very bad call, that's just my opinion.

I think Christendom as a whole in this country is anemic and it's getting worse due to it trying its best to become user friendly. I have warned Brothers who wanted to re-think holiness that they were heading down the road that will only prosper a wallet and not the souls of those they preach to.

Television is wrong and time proves all things, so lets see what happens.

Watch and see how it all unravels or congeals.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

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Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind (Post 340309)

I was addressing that by AG stats only 25% receive this like gift. Leaving 75% who do NOT. Not to say you have an inferior Holy Ghost experience.

Ok, that makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 340049)

Why even discuss this Boom? A small minority in the UPC do not watch/own TV.

Is that a fact? Would you happen to have the statistics that prove the above statement. I honestly would like to know.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

I believe it is a fair advantage. If it fails it will be men who fail, not God. If God blesses it then it will succeed. Here is the deal, there are hundreds of churches that advertise or have sites on this internet and I asure you the content available online makes TV look like Sesame Street, yet no one says anything about us being on here.
The Apostles walked town to town preaching the gospel. Why? Ans. How else were they going to spread the word? We have that ability now.

Look, everybody knows whats on TV on Sunday mornings, therefore if someone turns it on they are doing so for a reason. they are hungry for something thats missing in there life. I would much rather they saw my pastor telling them about the Apostolic Truth than them seeing Mr. Olsteen, wouldn't you??

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 340315)

We were told prior to this year of one highly visible church having John behind the pulpit..... and being on TV.

Again, what does this have to do with only 25% of the largest Pentecostal group having the Holy Ghost?

Where is the parallel? Do all the good ALJC churches have a bridge out ahead?!?

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Originally Posted by bdlooney (Post 340082)

Thank you, BOOM!

This is the thought behind the initial post. No one said that advertising equaled compromise. It is the fact that, IMHO, this is the trickle that will one day turn into a flood.

Correct, and time proves all things, when one has to enter into the competition of the television Christian media then those involved may be tempted to gravitate towards places they never thought they would go. Political correctness?

In Jesus Name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 340302)

No I'm not kidding, John Ashcraft doesn't have the Holy Ghost. :)

I have read some of his writings and I respectfully disagree with you. But I understand where you are coming from, I've been there and done that.

I used to subscribe to the Evangel. There was one article in which he was interviewed in which he stated that he had received the "Holy Spirit" as a youngster. As I recall, he said that his Dad was a pioneering Pentecostal (AOG) preacher.