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Evang.Benincasa 09-30-2015 10:57 PM

Re: Scoffers on AFF
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus (Post 1394040)
Sean sure is annoying regardless of his position.

:lol

Evang.Benincasa 09-30-2015 11:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by J.A. Perez (Post 1394330)
No your talking about another gentleman from the same state. I'd hate to name him and risk damaging the reputation, of a man of God that has passed.



I apologize, That was a cut and paste from something I had written unedited. He was a Contributor".

He made contributions to the Library of Congress with translations of the Chester Beatty Manuscripts.
Among them Papyrus 46, it is one of the oldest extant New Testament manuscripts in Greek, written on papyrus, with its 'most probable date' between 175 and 225. Some leaves are part of the Chester Beatty Biblical Papyri, and others are in the University of Michigan Papyrus Collection

Respectfully

I thought it was odd to see the comment concerning the Dead Sea Scroll Society. Would like to see more about his contribution to the Library of Congress with translations of the Chester Beatty Manuscripts.

But what I knew about the UFO issue was from one of his sermons.

J.A. Perez 10-01-2015 10:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1394334)
I thought it was odd to see the comment concerning the Dead Sea Scroll Society. Would like to see more about his contribution to the Library of Congress with translations of the Chester Beatty Manuscripts.

I found this bit about him.

Quote:

Originally Posted by broyer (Post 1118049)
The Lord sent Bro & Sis Marvin Treece to pastor Hodges Street Pentcostal Church, Lake Charles, La in January 1960. I was 21 years old at the time and was a member. When we out grew our church we moved to south Lake Charles and changed our name to Apostolic Temple. This is still my church......To answer the query of whether Bro. Treece's PhD was earned or an honorary one - It was EARNED. He never used the PhD title because - to him - the only title that meant anything was "child of God". But we, his church, knew of his accomplishments - how could we not - and we chose to honor him with his earned title when he could not tell us "no". The Church of the Living God is richer and fuller because his ministry, his sacrifices, his studies and his accomplishments.


Sean 10-01-2015 08:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1394312)
That's not what I asked you Sean, Jesus says not one jot or tittle shall pass from the Law until Heaven and Earth pass. Don't you know how to read? Don't you know how to answer when someone gives you the scripture, chapter and verse? Not one jot or tittle shall pass until heaven and earth passes with everything completed. Read the scripture again.

For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God's law will disappear until its purpose is achieved.

For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth shall pass away, not even one iota, nor one point, shall pass away from the law, until everything should happen.

Oh, and let's not forget the 17th century English....

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.



Where is the temple, priesthood, and animal sacrifices? Sean, every jot and tittle was supposed to be still in effect until all be completed? Sean, no one on the planet earth keeps the Law system as prescribed in the Hebrew Bible.




Nor did they in O.T. times....LOL

It was never perfectly done right.

However, It is still there to show men that they are failures.

Oh, thats right...preterists think the Law is melted with fervent heat and there is nothing left to condemn sinners....LOLOLOL

Sean 10-01-2015 08:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1394194)
Hey guys!...the "Earth"(Jews), the "Elements"(their religion) and "Temple"(their houses of worship) still exist....They did not BURN UP in 70ad......


Israel
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about the modern country. For other uses, see Israel (disambiguation).
Coordinates: 31°N 35°E

State of Israel
מְדִינַת יִשְׂרָאֵל (Hebrew)
دَوْلَة إِسْرَائِيل (Arabic)
Centered blue star within a horizontal triband Centered menorah surrounded by two olive branches
Flag Emblem
Anthem: "Hatikvah" (Hebrew)
"The Hope"
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Projection of Asia with Israel in green

Capital
and largest city Jerusalem (disputed)
31°47′N 35°13′E
Official languages
Hebrew Arabic
Ethnic groups (2014)
74.9% Jewish
20.7% Arab
4.3% others
Demonym Israeli
Government Unitary parliamentary republic
- President Reuven Rivlin
- Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
Legislature Knesset
Independence
- Declared 14 May 1948
- Recognition 1 May 1949
Area
- Total 20,770 / 22,072[note 1] km2 (153rd)
8,019 / 8,522 sq mi
- Water (%) 2.12 (440 km2 / 170 mi2)
Population
- 2014 estimate 8,238,300[1] (96th)
- 2008 census 7,412,200[2] (99th)
- Density 387.63/km2 (34th)
1,004.00/sq mi
GDP (PPP) 2014 estimate
- Total $286.840 billion[3]
- Per capita $35,658[3] (25th)
GDP (nominal) 2014 estimate
- Total $305.707 billion [3]
- Per capita $38,004[3] (25th)
Gini (2008) 39.2[4]
medium · 66th
HDI (2013) Steady 0.888[5]
very high · 19th
Currency Israeli new shekel (₪‎) (ILS [6])
Time zone Israel Standard Time (UTC+2)
- Summer (DST) Israel Summer Time (UTC+3)
Date format
dd-mm-yyyy (CE)
Drives on the right
Calling code +972
ISO 3166 code IL
Internet TLD .il
Israel (/ˈɪzreɪəl/ or /ˈɪzriːəl/; Hebrew: יִשְׂרָאֵל‎ Yisrā'el; Arabic: إِسْرَائِيل‎ Isrāʼīl), officially the State of Israel (Hebrew: מְדִינַת יִשְׂרָאֵל‎ Medīnat Yisrā'el [mediˈnat jisʁaˈʔel] ( listen); Arabic: دولة إِسْرَائِيل‎ Dawlat Isrāʼīl [dawlat ʔisraːˈʔiːl]), is a country in West Asia, situated at the southeastern shore of the Mediterranean Sea and the northern shore of the Gulf of Aqaba in the Red Sea. It shares land borders with Lebanon to the north, Syria in the northeast, Jordan on the east, the Palestinian territories (which are claimed by the State of Palestine and are partially controlled by Israel) comprising the West Bank and Gaza Strip[7] to the east and west, respectively, and Egypt to the southwest. It contains geographically diverse features within its relatively small area.[8][9] Israel's financial center is Tel Aviv,[10] while Jerusalem is both its self-designated, though unrecognised by the United Nations,[11] capital and the most populous individual city under the country's governmental administration. Israeli sovereignty over Jerusalem is internationally disputed.[note 2][12]

On 29 November 1947, the United Nations General Assembly recommended the adoption and implementation of the Partition Plan for Mandatory Palestine. This UN plan specified borders for new Arab and Jewish states and also specified an area of Jerusalem and its environs which was to be administered by the UN under an international regime.[13][14] The end of the British Mandate for Palestine was set for midnight on 14 May 1948. That day, David Ben-Gurion, the Executive Head of the Zionist Organization and president of the Jewish Agency for Palestine, declared "the establishment of a Jewish state in Eretz Israel, to be known as the State of Israel," which would start to function from the termination of the mandate.[15][16][17] The borders of the new state were not specified in the declaration.[14][18] Neighboring Arab armies invaded the former Palestinian mandate on the next day and fought the Israeli forces.[19][20] Israel has since fought several wars with neighboring Arab states,[21] in the course of which it has occupied the West Bank, Sinai Peninsula (1956–57, 1967–82), part of South Lebanon (1982–2000), Gaza Strip and the Golan Heights. It extended its laws to the Golan Heights and East Jerusalem, but not the West Bank.[22][23][24][25] Efforts to resolve the Israeli–Palestinian conflict have not resulted in peace. However, peace treaties between Israel and both Egypt and Jordan have successfully been signed. Israel’s occupation of Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem is the world's longest military occupation in modern times.[note 3][27]

The population of Israel, as defined by the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics, was estimated in 2014 to be 8,146,300 people. It is the world's only Jewish-majority state; 6,212,000 citizens, or 74.9% of Israelis, are designated as Jewish. The country's second largest group of citizens are denoted as Arabs, with 1,718,400 people (including the Druze and most East Jerusalem Arabs).[28][29] The great majority of Israeli Arabs are settled Muslims, with smaller but significant numbers of semi-settled Negev Bedouins; the rest are Christians and Druze. Other minorities include Maronites, Samaritans, Dom people and Roma, Black Hebrew Israelites, other Sub-Saharan Africans,[30] Armenians, Circassians, Vietnamese boat people, and others. Israel also hosts a significant population of non-citizen foreign workers and asylum seekers from Africa and Asia.[31]

In its Basic Laws, Israel defines itself as a Jewish and Democratic State.[32] Israel is a representative democracy[33] with a parliamentary system, proportional representation and universal suffrage.[34][35] The Prime Minister serves as head of government and the Knesset serves as Israel's legislative body. Israel is a developed country and an OECD member,[36] with the 37th-largest economy in the world by nominal gross domestic product as of 2014. The country benefits from a highly skilled workforce and is among the most educated countries in the world with the one of the highest percentage of its citizens holding a tertiary education degree.[37][38] The country has the highest standard of living in the Middle East and the fifth highest in Asia,[39][40][41] and has the one of the highest life expectancies in the world.[42]







Jews are an ethnoreligious group[21] and include those born Jewish and converts to Judaism. In 2012, the world Jewish population was estimated at about 14 million, or roughly 0.2% of the total world population.[22] About 42% of all Jews reside in Israel and another 42% reside in North America, with most of the remainder living in Europe, and other minority groups spread throughout South America, Asia, Africa, and Australia.[23]





Synagogues of the world....
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...Buh_3NegVMlwdQ



Benencasa thinks all of the above has melted away with fervent heat, including the O.T. Law(which is actually the entire O.T.).....LOL

Sean 10-01-2015 08:29 PM

Re: Scoffers on AFF
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1394195)
I got a funny feeling that Peter was not talking about the Jews here....LOL

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

The Jews, their religion and their places of worship burning up with fervent heat?.....NOT!







LOL






Benencasa says that Peter said..."God will burn them Jews and their Law"....LOLOL!

Sean 10-01-2015 08:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1394189)
More preterist craziness!!!...




Let me restate my argument: Paul wrote the same thing about the passing of the "elements" of the world as did Peter (2 Peter 3:15-16). But Paul, in discussing the passing of the "elements" of the world, wrote exclusively of the passing of the "elements" of Old Covenant Israel. Therefore, Peter, in 2 Peter 3, wrote of the passing of the "elements" of Old Covenant Israel.

To negate the power of this argument one must prove that Paul discussed the passing of two different kinds of "elements" and "worlds." Yet Paul, as shown above, when discussing the passing of the elements of the world speaks exclusively of the passing of the Old Covenant world.

The evidence presented in this brief article shows that the focus of Peter's — and thus the Bible's — is Covenantal and not Historical. Peter wrote just a few short years prior to the fall of Jerusalem, the center of the Old Covenant World. He and his readers were "looking for and hastening the coming of the Day of the Lord" (2 Peter 3:12). The Day was at hand!

Peter's Day of the Lord, with the destruction of the elements, came.
As a result, believers in God today should not fear the future. We should live lives of confidence and righteousness as we dwell in the New Heavens and Earth of our Savior.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...6KTUtNbJm3CLrQ





These guys want YOU to be a re-interpreter of the Word of God too....the key is to simply not believe what it seems to be saying!


These are Benencasas' homies.....LOL

Sean 10-01-2015 08:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sean (Post 1394179)
Has any one noticed that Benencasa is terrified to post his belief of this passage....


10 but the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?


Because Benencasa will be run out of town when he tells us what he really thinks it is saying as follows....


10 but the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the temple shall pass away with a great noise, and the Jewish religion shall melt with fervent heat, the Jews also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the temple being on fire shall be dissolved, and the Jewish religion shall melt with fervent heat?


The reason Benencasa wont post his beliefs above, is like I have been saying...he is very embarrassed to be laughed at.





lololol

Sean 10-01-2015 08:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sean (Post 1394193)
oh what a day that will be,

when Benencasa posts what he believes,
when I see the look upon his face,
when the saints begin to laugh.
And he will asks us not to laugh,
as we fall out of our chairs,

oh what a day, glorious day, that will be.:heeheehee





lolol

Godsdrummer 10-02-2015 09:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1394427)
Benencasa thinks all of the above has melted away with fervent heat, including the O.T. Law(which is actually the entire O.T.).....LOL

Mat_11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

Mat_7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Mat 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Luk_16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

The law OT and prophets pointed to one time in history, and that was the time of Christ, not some future happening in our time.
Ether press into the kingdom of God today or be lost.

Evang.Benincasa 10-02-2015 09:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1394426)
Nor did they in O.T. times....LOL

Again, we all see that Sean refuses to answer questions concerning my post.
Jesus said that until heaven and earth shall pass away, not even one iota, or one point, shall pass away from the law, until everything should happen. This Sean didn't even attempt to answer but refutes Jesus' words by saying that no Israeli or Judean ever KEPT THE LAW? Here we see the Eschatological Wizard of AFF, present his case by posting that NO ONE KEPT THE LAW in the O.T.? Sean is a Bible teacher? :lol

I guess the Psalmist didn't check with Google or Sean when he penned these words found in Psalm 119:1? You see Sean was too busy wanting to get in the pulpit while he was in church so Bible reading and study were the least on his to do list. Psalm 78:10 is speaking of those who rejected God's law, and were hypocrites. There were always two groups the righteous and the remnant. Yet, Sean wouldn't know that because Search for Truth doesn't explain that. Psalm 101:6, again speaking of the remnant, who followed the Lord. How on earth could Jesus mention every jot and tittle not passing away if every jot and tittle weren't even being kept even by Himself? Right? Because NO ONE WAS ABLE TO KEEP IT? God sets up a system which no one could keep even if they desired to follow God with all their hearts Psalm 119:80?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1394426)
It was never perfectly done right.

So, Paul the Apostle never checked with Google and Sean to be able to make this statement in Philippians 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. In Luke 1:6 both the parents of the Baptist were found blameless concerning the Law, Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous in God's eyes, careful to obey all of the Lord's commandments and regulations.

Still Jesus said that until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Gone, no one being able to practice any part of the law because it was all accomplished. You see Sean, the only thing you even vaguely know was told you over a pulpit in a Pentecostal church. You never went outside the boundaries of your Search for Truth Bible study, until the advent of Internet allowed you to get really tangled up. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1394426)
However, It is still there to show men that they are failures.

Galatians 3:19 doesn't say that, what the apostle does say is that the Law was added because of transgressions. The Law was the guardian schoolmaster to lead them to Christ, Galatians 3:24.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1394426)
Oh, thats right...preterists think the Law is melted with fervent heat and there is nothing left to condemn sinners....LOLOLOL

Again, readers notice how Sean never once touch top side or bottom of Brother Blume's questions concerning the "perishing world" quoted by Peter?
What did perish? Did the planet earth perish like Sean keeps pounding? But why didn't Sean just post the answer? What perished? Did the earth, world, planet, perish? What is the WORLD Sean? What WORLD perished?

Evang.Benincasa 10-02-2015 09:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer (Post 1394456)
Mat_11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

Mat_7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Mat 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Luk_16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

The law OT and prophets pointed to one time in history, and that was the time of Christ, not some future happening in our time.
Ether press into the kingdom of God today or be lost.

Amen, because everything was still in place when Jesus was walking the shores of Galilee. Jerusalem, still had an active priest group, animal sacrifices, all was still being practiced. Jerusalem still had the temple which was originally constructed by Ezra and Nehemiah, a group of diaspora Judeans who can trace their lineage back to Adam, priests who could trace their lineage back to Aaron, and Zadok.

Sean 10-02-2015 03:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer (Post 1394456)
Mat_11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

Mat_7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Mat 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Luk_16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

The law OT and prophets pointed to one time in history, and that was the time of Christ, not some future happening in our time.
Ether press into the kingdom of God today or be lost.





Loren, do you think the Law/ Jews/Their Religion melted away with fervent heat?

Sean 10-02-2015 03:32 PM

Re: Scoffers on AFF
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1394459)
Again, we all see that Sean refuses to answer questions concerning my post.
Jesus said that until heaven and earth shall pass away, not even one iota, or one point, shall pass away from the law, until everything should happen. This Sean didn't even attempt to answer but refutes Jesus' words by saying that no Israeli or Judean ever KEPT THE LAW? Here we see the Eschatological Wizard of AFF, present his case by posting that NO ONE KEPT THE LAW in the O.T.? Sean is a Bible teacher? :lol

I guess the Psalmist didn't check with Google or Sean when he penned these words found in Psalm 119:1? You see Sean was too busy wanting to get in the pulpit while he was in church so Bible reading and study were the least on his to do list. Psalm 78:10 is speaking of those who rejected God's law, and were hypocrites. There were always two groups the righteous and the remnant. Yet, Sean wouldn't know that because Search for Truth doesn't explain that. Psalm 101:6, again speaking of the remnant, who followed the Lord. How on earth could Jesus mention every jot and tittle not passing away if every jot and tittle weren't even being kept even by Himself? Right? Because NO ONE WAS ABLE TO KEEP IT? God sets up a system which no one could keep even if they desired to follow God with all their hearts Psalm 119:80?



So, Paul the Apostle never checked with Google and Sean to be able to make this statement in Philippians 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. In Luke 1:6 both the parents of the Baptist were found blameless concerning the Law, Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous in God's eyes, careful to obey all of the Lord's commandments and regulations.

Still Jesus said that until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Gone, no one being able to practice any part of the law because it was all accomplished. You see Sean, the only thing you even vaguely know was told you over a pulpit in a Pentecostal church. You never went outside the boundaries of your Search for Truth Bible study, until the advent of Internet allowed you to get really tangled up. :)



Galatians 3:19 doesn't say that, what the apostle does say is that the Law was added because of transgressions. The Law was the guardian schoolmaster to lead them to Christ, Galatians 3:24.



Again, readers notice how Sean never once touch top side or bottom of Brother Blume's questions concerning the "perishing world" quoted by Peter?
What did perish? Did the planet earth perish like Sean keeps pounding? But why didn't Sean just post the answer? What perished? Did the earth, world, planet, perish? What is the WORLD Sean? What WORLD perished?





Hey fella....everything IS accomplished!.....For the believer ONLY!

You think that Jesus died to end the very Law that was made to condemn unbelievers!

You think that unbelievers are not under any standards of condemnation now?

Only BELIEVERS are not under these standards of condemnation!

Are you okay?.....LOL


Sean 10-02-2015 03:38 PM

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I wonder if Benencasa tells sinners the Law is irrelevant to them?



LOL

Sean 10-02-2015 03:41 PM

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An intelligent teacher uses the active O.T. Law to bring sinners under the condemnation of it, to cause them to repent.

Then when the sinner is born again, they are to be told the Law is not their judge anymore, neither are they under it anymore.

Learn the Apostles teaching method Benencasa, okay?

Sean 10-02-2015 03:48 PM

Re: Scoffers on AFF
 
Again, readers notice how Sean never once touch top side or bottom of Brother Blume's questions concerning the "perishing world" quoted by Peter?
What did perish? Did the planet earth perish like Sean keeps pounding? But why didn't Sean just post the answer? What perished? Did the earth, world, planet, perish? What is the WORLD Sean? What WORLD perished?




I dont know...LOL


Now lets see you NOT answer my question for the umpteenth time Benencasa....LOL....................

Sean 10-02-2015 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean View Post
I got a funny feeling that Peter was not talking about the Jews here....LOL

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

The Jews, their religion and their places of worship burning up with fervent heat?.....NOT!







LOL





Benencasa says that Peter said..."God will burn them Jews, their religion and their Law"....LOLOL!

Sean 10-02-2015 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean View Post
Has any one noticed that Benencasa is terrified to post his belief of this passage....


10 but the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?


Because Benencasa will be run out of town when he tells us what he really thinks it is saying as follows....


10 but the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the temple shall pass away with a great noise, and the Jewish religion shall melt with fervent heat, the Jews also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the temple being on fire shall be dissolved, and the Jewish religion shall melt with fervent heat?


The reason Benencasa wont post his beliefs as described above, is like I have been saying...he is very embarrassed to be laughed at.

Sean 10-02-2015 04:01 PM

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Can you believe Benencasa thinks Peter was saying this....

Earth= Jews

Heaven= Law

Elements= Jewish religion


Can anyone help him with his meds please?....LOL

Evang.Benincasa 10-03-2015 01:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1394501)
Can you believe Benencasa thinks Peter was saying this....

Earth= Jews

Heaven= Law

Elements= Jewish religion


Can anyone help him with his meds please?....LOL

Meds? The only one who has proven to this forum that they are heavily medicated on psychotropics is you. You have melt downs continually when challenged. You never answer what is posted to you, but play some sociopathic game with the poster who questions or opposes you. You are a mess, and whenever you had your issues with your pastor over tithing you never recuperated, you were shown the door and never got yourself back together. Not that people who don't believe in tithing are even close to your sociopathic demeanor, no, most are studious, and (what you are not) mature. You believe you are some defender of the faith when the truth has been shown to everyone that you are just a lunatic with internet access. :lol

Evang.Benincasa 10-03-2015 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1394493)
Hey fella....everything IS accomplished!.....For the believer ONLY!

You think that Jesus died to end the very Law that was made to condemn unbelievers!

You think that unbelievers are not under any standards of condemnation now?

Only BELIEVERS are not under these standards of condemnation!

Are you okay?.....LOL


I think Search for Truth is all you know? You haven't even read the O.T. :lol

Sean, you don't know what Jesus meant by every jot and tittle? Sean, every jot, every tittle, every stroke of the quill, every dot over a Hebrew letter contained in the entirety of the Law. The law system wasn't given to the Gentiles, it was only given to children of Israel. The priesthood, the tribes, they were to build a temple, and there they would practice their law by animal sacrifices. No uncircumcised Gentile could offer animal sacrifices by the hands of a priest in the temple. This law system complete with priest craft, and slaughtered animals was totally done away with, no Gentile ever, ever, ever, had offered any sacrifice by the hands of the priest in the Temple.

You say the law was passed away for the church? So, I guess you are the one symbolizing all of this? So, when Jesus, said that until heaven and earth pass away, not one single jot, not a stroke of a quill, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Really meant when you are baptized and converted HEAVEN AND EARTH PASSES AWAY? :lol

Really? Sounds like metaphor? :heeheehee

Sean, you wouldn't know eschatology if it was a bowling ball and fell on your head. :thumbsup


Oh, I notice you never, ever, touched top, side, or bottom of Brother Blume's posted question concerning the "perishing world" what "WORLD" perished in Noah's flood? Did the earth disintegrate, vanish? Did the planet cease to exist so the another planet had to be created?

You see, it is questions like these which cause you to loose what little mind you have. You are nothing more than an angry flipped out religious maniac, trying to protect what YOU created as your own private Idaho.

:heeheehee

Evang.Benincasa 10-03-2015 02:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1394494)
I wonder if Benencasa tells sinners the Law is irrelevant to them?



LOL

Who is Benecasa? :lol

Evang.Benincasa 10-03-2015 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1394496)
I dont know...LOL

There you go, Sean, once again takes the path of least intelligence and says he doesn't know.

While page after page, after page is filled with his insanity, and dodging of Brother Blume's question. Sean, doesn't know?

So, why would he be trying to defend a topic he has NO clue (unless he Googles the answers) about?

The same way he jetted from the eschatology section when it was proven that he was just cutting and pasting other people's material, and really didn't have the foggiest idea what he believes.

Sean, be a man.

Just try being a man, instead of the religious weasel you have shown yourself to be on AFF. :)

Bowas 10-03-2015 02:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1394535)
I think Search for Truth is all you know? You haven't even read the O.T. :lol

Sean, you don't know what Jesus meant by every jot and tittle? Sean, every jot, every tittle, every stroke of the quill, every dot over a Hebrew letter contained in the entirety of the Law. The law system wasn't given to the Gentiles, it was only given to children of Israel. The priesthood, the tribes, they were to build a temple, and there they would practice their law by animal sacrifices. No uncircumcised Gentile could offer animal sacrifices by the hands of a priest in the temple. This law system complete with priest craft, and slaughtered animals was totally done away with, no Gentile ever, ever, ever, had offered any sacrifice by the hands of the priest in the Temple.

You say the law was passed away for the church? So, I guess you are the one symbolizing all of this? So, when Jesus, said that until heaven and earth pass away, not one single jot, not a stroke of a quill, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Really meant when you are baptized and converted HEAVEN AND EARTH PASSES AWAY? :lol

Really? Sounds like metaphor? :heeheehee

Sean, you wouldn't know eschatology if it was a bowling ball and fell on your head. :thumbsup


Oh, I notice you never, ever, touched top, side, or bottom of Brother Blume's posted question concerning the "perishing world" what "WORLD" perished in Noah's flood? Did the earth disintegrate, vanish? Did the planet cease to exist so the another planet had to be created?

You see, it is questions like these which cause you to loose what little mind you have. You are nothing more than an angry flipped out religious maniac, trying to protect what YOU created as your own private Idaho.

:heeheehee

:thumbsup

Sean 10-04-2015 10:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1394535)
I think Search for Truth is all you know? You haven't even read the O.T. :lol

Sean, you don't know what Jesus meant by every jot and tittle? Sean, every jot, every tittle, every stroke of the quill, every dot over a Hebrew letter contained in the entirety of the Law. The law system wasn't given to the Gentiles, it was only given to children of Israel. The priesthood, the tribes, they were to build a temple, and there they would practice their law by animal sacrifices. No uncircumcised Gentile could offer animal sacrifices by the hands of a priest in the temple. This law system complete with priest craft, and slaughtered animals was totally done away with, no Gentile ever, ever, ever, had offered any sacrifice by the hands of the priest in the Temple.

You say the law was passed away for the church? So, I guess you are the one symbolizing all of this? So, when Jesus, said that until heaven and earth pass away, not one single jot, not a stroke of a quill, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Really meant when you are baptized and converted HEAVEN AND EARTH PASSES AWAY? :lol

Really? Sounds like metaphor? :heeheehee

Sean, you wouldn't know eschatology if it was a bowling ball and fell on your head. :thumbsup


Oh, I notice you never, ever, touched top, side, or bottom of Brother Blume's posted question concerning the "perishing world" what "WORLD" perished in Noah's flood? Did the earth disintegrate, vanish? Did the planet cease to exist so the another planet had to be created?

You see, it is questions like these which cause you to loose what little mind you have. You are nothing more than an angry flipped out religious maniac, trying to protect what YOU created as your own private Idaho.

:heeheehee




You actually think the Law was for the Jews only? You think that the Law was not for the Gentiles? You think the Gentiles will not be judged by the Law?

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law(written Law) , do by nature the things contained in the law(written Law), these, having not the law(written Law), are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law(written Law) written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;


Benincasa, only Jews are to apply this verse?...4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Benincasa, you have "literally" bumped your head if you think this verse is for Jews only.....LOL

Sean 10-04-2015 10:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1394536)
Who is Benecasa? :lol



Oh sorry, Deomoinic Benencasa, it is hard to spell.

Sean 10-04-2015 10:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1394459)
Again, we all see that Sean refuses to answer questions concerning my post.
Jesus said that until heaven and earth shall pass away, not even one iota, or one point, shall pass away from the law, until everything should happen. This Sean didn't even attempt to answer but refutes Jesus' words by saying that no Israeli or Judean ever KEPT THE LAW? Here we see the Eschatological Wizard of AFF, present his case by posting that NO ONE KEPT THE LAW in the O.T.? Sean is a Bible teacher? :lol

I guess the Psalmist didn't check with Google or Sean when he penned these words found in Psalm 119:1? You see Sean was too busy wanting to get in the pulpit while he was in church so Bible reading and study were the least on his to do list. Psalm 78:10 is speaking of those who rejected God's law, and were hypocrites. There were always two groups the righteous and the remnant. Yet, Sean wouldn't know that because Search for Truth doesn't explain that. Psalm 101:6, again speaking of the remnant, who followed the Lord. How on earth could Jesus mention every jot and tittle not passing away if every jot and tittle weren't even being kept even by Himself? Right? Because NO ONE WAS ABLE TO KEEP IT? God sets up a system which no one could keep even if they desired to follow God with all their hearts Psalm 119:80?



So, Paul the Apostle never checked with Google and Sean to be able to make this statement in Philippians 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. In Luke 1:6 both the parents of the Baptist were found blameless concerning the Law, Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous in God's eyes, careful to obey all of the Lord's commandments and regulations.

Still Jesus said that until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Gone, no one being able to practice any part of the law because it was all accomplished. You see Sean, the only thing you even vaguely know was told you over a pulpit in a Pentecostal church. You never went outside the boundaries of your Search for Truth Bible study, until the advent of Internet allowed you to get really tangled up. :)



Galatians 3:19 doesn't say that, what the apostle does say is that the Law was added because of transgressions. The Law was the guardian schoolmaster to lead them to Christ, Galatians 3:24.



Again, readers notice how Sean never once touch top side or bottom of Brother Blume's questions concerning the "perishing world" quoted by Peter?
What did perish? Did the planet earth perish like Sean keeps pounding? But why didn't Sean just post the answer? What perished? Did the earth, world, planet, perish? What is the WORLD Sean? What WORLD perished?








I am only concerned about getting the hidden secrets that Peter and Jesus were trying to reveal.


Benincasa is trying to show us these hidden secrets that Jesus and Peter were concealing for preterists....LOL

Heaven=the temple

Earth= the Jews

Elements= the Jewish religion


These preterists on AFF are telling us that the temple, the Jews and the Jewish religion were melted with fervent heat and the Law burnt up in 70ad.....I think they should be writing materials for the National Enquirer on the side.(they could make millions)

These preterist have some of the most powerful imaginations on planet earth....LOL

Sean 10-04-2015 10:24 AM

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Can you believe Benencasa thinks Peter was saying this....

Earth= Jews

Heaven= Law

Elements= Jewish religion


Can anyone help him with his meds please?....LOL

Sean 10-04-2015 10:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1394494)
I wonder if Benencasa tells sinners the Law is irrelevant to them?



LOL




LOL

Sean 10-04-2015 10:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1394495)
An intelligent teacher uses the active O.T. Law to bring sinners under the condemnation of it, to cause them to repent.

Then when the sinner is born again, they are to be told the Law is not their judge anymore, neither are they under it anymore.

Learn the Apostles teaching method Benencasa, okay?




LOL

Sean 10-04-2015 10:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1394498)
Originally Posted by Sean View Post
I got a funny feeling that Peter was not talking about the Jews here....LOL

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

The Jews, their religion and their places of worship burning up with fervent heat?.....NOT!







LOL





Benencasa says that Peter said..."God will burn them Jews, their religion and their Law"....LOLOL!




LOL

Sean 10-04-2015 10:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1394500)
Originally Posted by Sean View Post
Has any one noticed that Benencasa is terrified to post his belief of this passage....


10 but the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?


Because Benencasa will be run out of town when he tells us what he really thinks it is saying as follows....


10 but the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the temple shall pass away with a great noise, and the Jewish religion shall melt with fervent heat, the Jews also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the temple being on fire shall be dissolved, and the Jewish religion shall melt with fervent heat?


The reason Benencasa wont post his beliefs as described above, is like I have been saying...he is very embarrassed to be laughed at.




LOL

shazeep 10-04-2015 02:43 PM

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yikes, competitive much? :lol

Evang.Benincasa 10-04-2015 10:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1394587)
You actually think the Law was for the Jews only? You think that the Law was not for the Gentiles? You think the Gentiles will not be judged by the Law?

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law(written Law) , do by nature the things contained in the law(written Law), these, having not the law(written Law), are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law(written Law) written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;


Benincasa, only Jews are to apply this verse?...4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Benincasa, you have "literally" bumped your head if you think this verse is for Jews only.....LOL

No son, you bumped your head, and you are not addressing my comments in my post. I posted, that no Gentile was allowed to offer animal sacrifice through a high priest, and they were totally forbidden to keep the Passover with the Israelis if they were not circumcised and promise to keep the whole of the law. You have absolutely no clue as to what and why the temple even stood on the Mount Moriah and the importance it held in the Ancient Judean's life. Every jot and tittle was the whole of the law, including temple sacrifices, priesthood, Aaronic, as well as the Zadokites, all things which concerned their duties. You still have failed to deal with my question, but to be fair, that is only because you don't understand my question. You were too busy reading Search For Truth like it was holy religious parchment.

Jesus said I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God's law will disappear until its purpose is achieved.

Explain?

shag 10-04-2015 10:39 PM

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Hebrews 8:13

Evang.Benincasa 10-04-2015 10:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shag (Post 1394666)
Hebrews 8:13

By using the words, "a new Covenant," He has made the first one obsolete; but whatever is decaying and showing signs of old age is NOT FAR from disappearing altogether.

Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon, Rambam listed 613 Mitzvot. Jesus taught that whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. This was only directed to the Judean who was part of His listening audience when He was saying these words. Moral laws which the Israeli and Judean followed were also followed by the Gentiles doing what by nature the things contained in the law, hence being a law unto themselves. Yet, Gentiles were not permitted to keep ceremonial law, or offer animal sacrifices through the hands of a high priest as prescribed in the law. Therefore every jot and tittle was not kept by any Gentile, and therefore the meaning of Jesus' words could only have force to the first century Judean.

Godsdrummer 10-05-2015 12:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1394493)
Hey fella....everything IS accomplished!.....For the believer ONLY!

You think that Jesus died to end the very Law [U]that was made to condemn unbelievers!
[/U]
You think that unbelievers are not under any standards of condemnation now?

Only BELIEVERS are not under these standards of condemnation!

Are you okay?.....LOL


I guess you don't believe the words of Christ.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

You might notice that they were not condemned by the law, but rather because the did not believe in the name of the begotten son of God.

Godsdrummer 10-05-2015 12:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1394427)
Benencasa thinks all of the above has melted away with fervent heat, including the O.T. Law(which is actually the entire O.T.).....LOL

Sean what does a group of people forming a nation calling themselves Jews have to do with prophecy. These people you want to claim to be the children of God, are of the same mind set as the religious leaders that put Christ on the cross.

There is not one place is scripture that says God will restore the nation of Israel. The only way they can be saved is the same way all of us are saved, by calling on the name of the Lord. Which they will never do because the don't believe in Christ.

Sean 10-05-2015 02:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shag (Post 1394666)
Hebrews 8:13






Glad you brought that up shag.....




Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


This is about the New Covenant with MILLENNIAL ISRAEL, quoting Jeremiah 31......





Now here is the New Covenant to future Israel.....



31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


This(above) has nothing to do with the New Testament church, but future Millennial Israel only.





However, we now, are in a PARTIAL experience(foretaste), relating to the future Holy Ghost filled, Millennial Israel....

This small section is for the Church.......


Hebrews 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.


Did you notice that Israel is excluded in this portion?

That is because chapter 8 is exclusively about Israel and Chapter 10 is exclusively about the Church.



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