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blueaugust 02-05-2008 08:19 PM
Re: WPF in talks with Philippines UPC
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron (Post 380812)
I clarified the post.
From the majority of Ministers I have met from the Philippines, there was an obvious lack of ethics shown by 95% of them.

True, that doesn't represent the whole Philippine Church.

Again, there would be Ministers License taken away if we were to persue the matter.

Issues? Would you like to clarify this please?

I don't care who the person is--Ethics is Ethics.
How about just telling us whether these ministers you interact with are UPCI or some independent group? It's really offensive to claim that 95% percent of Filipino ministers either disregard or just doesn't know ethics. That's too much generalization and too much of a claim Bro. Ron. I hope you understand my point of view...

MissionsJD 02-05-2008 08:21 PM
Re: WPF in talks with Philippines UPC
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron (Post 380812)
I clarified the post.
From the majority of Ministers I have met from the Philippines, there was an obvious lack of ethics shown by 95% of them.

True, that doesn't represent the whole Philippine Church.

Again, there would be Ministers License taken away if we were to persue the matter.

Issues? Would you like to clarify this please?

I don't care who the person is--Ethics is Ethics.
Huh? 95%? Now I KNOW there is no further need to respond to your posts. I do thank you for the opportunity to praise the Filipino pastors. If not for your rediculous posts I would not have had occassion to let all the others who read this hear how wonderful and ethical the Filipino UPC church is.

Issues? You are married to a Filipino and have the veiw point that 95% of her native people are unethical. Enough said.

Monkeyman 02-05-2008 08:22 PM
Re: WPF in talks with Philippines UPC
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MissionsJD (Post 380840)
Huh? 95%? Now I KNOW there is no further need to respond to your posts. I do thank you for the opportunity to praise the Filipino pastors. If not for your rediculous posts I would not have had occassion to let all the others who read this hear how wonderful and ethical the Filipino UPC church is.

Issues? You are married to a Filipino and have the veiw point that 95% of her native people are unethical. Enough said.
I don't have a dog in this fight but I believe he said 95% of ministers he met, not 95%
of her native people. Just get him back by saying 95% of canadians won't fight and are sissies, and that the CFL is for girls....lol! (this really makes em mad)

Ron 02-05-2008 08:24 PM
Re: WPF in talks with Philippines UPC
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by blueaugust (Post 380838)
How about just telling us whether these ministers you interact with are UPCI or some independent group? It's really offensive to claim that 95% percent of Filipino ministers either disregard or just doesn't know ethics. That's too much generalization and too much of a claim Bro. Ron. I hope you understand my point of view...
Not independt--UPCI!

Read carefully. 95% of the Philippine Ministers who have come through here.

My wife even had one interaction with a Minister that left her disgusted.

Again, just a question.

Are Ethics taught & stressed, practiced.

BECAUSE IT IS OUR OBSERVATION THAT IT ISN'T!

Ron 02-05-2008 08:25 PM
Re: WPF in talks with Philippines UPC
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MissionsJD (Post 380840)
Huh? 95%? Now I KNOW there is no further need to respond to your posts. I do thank you for the opportunity to praise the Filipino pastors. If not for your rediculous posts I would not have had occassion to let all the others who read this hear how wonderful and ethical the Filipino UPC church is.

Issues? You are married to a Filipino and have the veiw point that 95% of her native people are unethical. Enough said.

A lovely twist on words. Do you do that with everyone? LOL!

NW Pastor 02-05-2008 08:38 PM
Re: WPF in talks with Philippines UPC
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron (Post 380842)
Not independt--UPCI!

Read carefully. 95% of the Philippine Ministers who have come through here.

My wife even had one interaction with a Minister that left her disgusted.

Again, just a question.

Are Ethics taught & stressed, practiced.

BECAUSE IT IS OUR OBSERVATION THAT IT ISN'T!
The few Americans that travel abroad are often seen by natives as domineering and self-centeredly ethno-centric.


Would you appreciate being classifed as such because of the poor manners of a few? I would concur with JDMissions, and have you go there and experience the real church for an extended period, first hand. You will find some lacking in ethics to be sure. But there will be others that balance the scale dramatically.

Of course, I am completely satisfied at the level of ministerial ethics I have seen here in this country. I'm just wondering where the courses are taught? And are there any refreshers for those who have forgotten?

I think not!

MissionsJD 02-05-2008 08:40 PM
Re: WPF in talks with Philippines UPC
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkeyman (Post 380841)
I don't have a dog in this fight but I believe he said 95% of ministers he met, not 95%
of her native people.
True. Thanks for the correction. That makes it even worse. If 95% of ministers are unethical, what about the general population?

The bottom line is that Filipino pastors are human, just like American pastors are. We all have failings, but come on? 95%?

I know these people and have been raised around them. I ate from the same plates as the current church leaders when they were bible school students and I was still a child. While some of them have disappointed us, they do not have any worse ethical problems than we do here in the USA.

I hope Ron is able to revisit his beliefs with regard to the Filipino leaders.

Monkeyman 02-05-2008 08:42 PM
Re: WPF in talks with Philippines UPC
 
Maybe they are just sending the un-ethical ones to British Columbia????

Ron 02-05-2008 08:42 PM
Re: WPF in talks with Philippines UPC
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkeyman (Post 380841)
I don't have a dog in this fight but I believe he said 95% of ministers he met, not 95%
of her native people. Just get him back by saying 95% of canadians won't fight and are sissies, and that the CFL is for girls....lol! (this really makes em mad)
Them's fighin' words!!:toofunny

Monkeyman 02-05-2008 08:43 PM
Re: WPF in talks with Philippines UPC
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron (Post 380867)
Them's fighin' words!!:toofunny
*sneaks out of thread*:toofunny


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