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stmatthew 05-25-2008 05:47 PM
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Less others think I believe that God will only work within the current Apostolic church, here is a vision I received from God a few years back while in prayer. I wrote it down in 2004, so I am guessing that this was when I received it. I believe the next great move of God will be outside of organized church as we know it.


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I was in prayer several nights ago, and God began to show me a vision. In this vision I saw one that I knew to be an Apostle out in the streets. He was healing the sick, wheelchair cases were getting up out of their chairs, shouting and praising God. He was as Jesus was when he walked the earth. The very power of heaven seemed to be at his disposal without effort. (At this same time, God began to speak to me, or reveal to me, what was happening, almost in a narrative sense.) As the Apostle did the miraculous, he was also proclaimed the Kingdom of God to the people. His message did not veer from the message Peter preached on the day of Pentecost. It was "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost". Many believed his words, and obeyed his message. Great revival was present!
As the Apostle continued to proclaim and work the miracles, I saw others come on the scene. These men were leaders in churches. God was not moving for them in the same way he was with the Apostle, yet they were carrying the title of "Apostolic". There was a hatred that came upon them for the Apostle. They despised his miracles, and began to say his power came from the devil. They cut him off from their fellowship, and began to persecute him. At this time I saw him in several different ways, or scenarios. Some of the "Apostolic" men began to try to turn the people away from the Apostle. Some followed them because they were Elders in the church. Their position and standing in the assembly swayed some to their view. They then began to fight the Apostle, throwing rocks at him, he was put in prison. He was even killed. It seemed strange, but as the Apostle suffered the persecution and was killed he still continued to do the work. Even after he was killed he was still there, preaching salvation , and showing Gods power through the signs and wonders that he did.

As all this was being shown to me God was narrating the whole thing to me. This is what he was saying:

The Apostle is the Real Apostolic Church. He is my Ambassador to the world. He will demonstrate my power to the world, but he will hold the same doctrine that the first Apostles taught, any other doctrine negates him as my Ambassador. The Apostle will be men that do not limit me. They will ask for the impossible, so that I may get the Glory, because man could not do what they were asking. They will believe me for the limitless.

As the seen changed, and the Apostle began to be persecuted, I seemed to know the interpretation as it happened. The Real Church will be persecuted by those that claim to be the church, much like the pharisees persecuted Jesus. They will try to draw some away by speaking against the move of God through the Apostle (the Real Church). Some will follow them because they have been the leaders of the "church" for years. As God continues to move on the Real Church, they will hate all who stand with the Apostle. They will fight and cast false accusations, drawing some away. They will turn the governments that be against the Real Church. Men will be put in prison. Some will be put to death. Yet all the persecution will not destroy or stop the Real Apostolic Church from the task before them. The gates of hell will not prevail!!

Hoovie 05-25-2008 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeanie (Post 471536)
Well his style is a little different. But the night I saw they was a man that received a knee cap who did have one and was able to bend his leg, another was paralyzed and was able to start moving (in the wheel chair), there were some deaf ears open and someone in a morgue came to life.

Now I am not one that gets excited about the person and thinks that they have this magical divine connection that is so special I become enamored with them. So really not about Todd, Todd is nothing special with in himself, really none of us are.

To me it just simply faith and someone responding to prayers. The word has gotten out that something special is happening-that alone could build someones faith thinking if they go they will receive from God, so again it's not about Todd, he is just the man on the platform praying.
I am sorry Jeanie... I really want to believe this, but I do not. I have seen too much.

Jack Shephard 05-25-2008 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 471540)
Less others think I believe that God will only work within the current Apostolic church, here is a vision I received from God a few years back while in prayer. I wrote it down in 2004, so I am guessing that this was when I received it. I believe the next great move of God will be outside of organized church as we know it.
Matt I want you to know that I am not exactly happy with everything this guy does either. I think that it is foolish to just write it off as NOT OF GOD just because he is different. There are people in this movement that do some very crazy things that I would not follow any more than if TB did it. Like Jeanie said it is God that does the work. There will always be nay sayers of thing that happen spiritually-like Bro. Hoover was saying. I am not all for TB nor am I just going to write him off either.

Sam 05-25-2008 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 471483)
Last night I watched one of Mr. Bentley's services on TV. The way he looked didn't bother me, but his methods did. I am assuming this was a "healing" service since he had person after person coming up and getting the "laying on of hands". All of them fell in the "spirit" except for a pregnant woman and a toddler. If they didn't fall out in the "spirit" the first time he pushed them on their chests, they did after the second or third time.
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Many fall because they expect to fall. Many think it is the right thing to do. Others fall because the preacher gives them a shove backward and they lose their balance. This happens in oneness and trinity services.

I remember reading somewhere, I think it was on AFF or one of these forums about a woman who came up for prayer. As soon as the preacher put his hands on her, she fell to the ground. She got part way up and said, "I forgot to warn you that I go down easy," and then back down she went.

Elizabeth 05-25-2008 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 471542)
I am sorry Jeanie... I really want to believe this, but I do not. I have seen too much.
I am sorry I don't know what you mean, but I am just reporting what took place while I watched. If you think they are shenanigans or a hoax I didn't get that feeling at all.

I saw children with disabilities that were healed come forth to tell of their healing-I didn't get a feeling that these children were faking it-

I know God is able, actually all it did was build my faith and made me desire to see those things take place in my own church in my own ministry.


Bottom line God is able to heal--anyone, anywhere anytime.

Elizabeth 05-25-2008 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 471561)
Many fall because they expect to fall. Many think it is the right thing to do. Others fall because the preacher gives them a shove backward and they lose their balance. This happens in oneness and trinity services.

I remember reading somewhere, I think it was on AFF or one of these forums about a woman who came up for prayer. As soon as the preacher put his hands on her, she fell to the ground. She got part way up and said, "I forgot to warn you that I go down easy," and then back down she went.
This is a good point, I have laid my hands on people and they fell out-kind of scared me!

Cindy 05-25-2008 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 471561)
Many fall because they expect to fall. Many think it is the right thing to do. Others fall because the preacher gives them a shove backward and they lose their balance. This happens in oneness and trinity services.

I remember reading somewhere, I think it was on AFF or one of these forums about a woman who came up for prayer. As soon as the preacher put his hands on her, she fell to the ground. She got part way up and said, "I forgot to warn you that I go down easy," and then back down she went.
You are absolutley right Sam, but that still does not mean that all is of God and real. Some are and some aren't.

Jack Shephard 05-25-2008 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 471561)
Many fall because they expect to fall. Many think it is the right thing to do. Others fall because the preacher gives them a shove backward and they lose their balance. This happens in oneness and trinity services.

I remember reading somewhere, I think it was on AFF or one of these forums about a woman who came up for prayer. As soon as the preacher put his hands on her, she fell to the ground. She got part way up and said, "I forgot to warn you that I go down easy," and then back down she went.
I agree. I was prayed for by a minister once and he would almost push you to the ground. He was known for that. I agree with Sam I think there is all sorts of reasons people fall. Along time ago Atlanta Bishop prayed for me in a service and I fell out. Something hit me hard and it was not AB is was God. Another time I fell out my old youth pastor prayed for me and I was out for a while. I once was praying for a young girl in a prayer line and never more put my hand on her head and BOOM down she went. She was out for a while, but I never heard or saw her in tongues or anything. I believe she fell because that was acceptable and the norm in her former church.

Cindy 05-25-2008 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeanie (Post 471563)
I am sorry I don't know what you mean, but I am just reporting what took place while I watched. If you think they are shenanigans or a hoax I didn't get that feeling at all.

I saw children with disabilities that were healed come forth to tell of their healing-I didn't get a feeling that these children were faking it-

I know God is able, actually all it did was build my faith and made me desire to see those things take place in my own church in my own ministry.


Bottom line God is able to heal--anyone, anywhere anytime.
Yes he is Jeannie, and I am not refuting that. But I was thinking about the people that hear about a revival like this and may believe well, everybody that goes there gets healed, and they go expecting to be healed, and it doesn't happen. What are they left with? And I am not talking about people that really know God well. And it doesn't really matter where or who is preaching or praying. But Jesus didn't just heal bodies, he saved souls. Instead of seeing that part of it, they were only showing the "healing" part of the program. Maybe that's why it bothered me. And I have seen people healed and I have been healed. But I have also been to a church where the preacher literally pushed you and hurt you to try to get you to go down.

Jack Shephard 05-25-2008 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 471572)
Yes he is Jeannie, and I am not refuting that. But I was thinking about the people that hear about a revival like this and may believe well, everybody that goes there gets healed, and they go expecting to be healed, and it doesn't happen. What are they left with? And I am not talking about people that really know God well. And it doesn't really matter where or who is preaching or praying. But Jesus didn't just heal bodies, he saved souls. Instead of seeing that part of it, they were only showing the "healing" part of the program. Maybe that's why it bothered me. And I have seen people healed and I have been healed. But I have also been to a church where the preacher literally pushed you and hurt you to try to get you to go down.
Wow sounds like alot of UPC churches to me. Remember I attend a UPC church.


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