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Praxeas 02-08-2010 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 875526)
ah. See thats one problem I have with accepting such incidents. No one ever can tell what was said to the person. And I'm really not asking my question to disprove the incident, I really want to know because I'm curious how tongues work in these incidents. Is the person speaking as if he/she is praying or worshipping? Is the person speaking as if he/shes sharing a message from God?
Probably the same way it happened on the day of Pentecost. They hear someone else speaking their language glorifying God

Praxeas 02-08-2010 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Brother David (Post 875524)
I have lived among people "out[side] of a predominately English speaking society" and prayed with them, sought God with them, sought to win souls with them - I have never heard anyone ever speak in "my own tongue, wherein I was born" (Acts 2:8) who wasn't already an English language speaker.

Nor have I ever heard or seen any evidence of this ever happening. No offense, but I think a lot of folks hear what they want to hear - or like those in many deaf ministries, simply report things that are not the case in order to be able to report having some success.
I have heard of it happening. Not all the time though

As far as we can see it happened once in Acts

jfrog 02-08-2010 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 875530)
I have heard of it happening. Not all the time though

As far as we can see it happened once in Acts
So the other incidents were the same just people weren't there that could understand them?

Praxeas 02-08-2010 09:35 PM
Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
 
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Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 875534)
So the other incidents were the same just people weren't there that could understand them?
The circumstances were different

pelathais 02-08-2010 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 875521)
No answer would be sufficient for you because we don't agree.
That's an interesting take.

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 875521)
No, I won't give you the names or anything. I would rather delight in the knowledge that you think I'm lying. :D

I don't PM strangers either. LOL!
So then, we can sum up your "Three Stepper" belief as this:

"People must experience and participate in the supernatural event described in Acts 2:4-8, in order to be saved. No one has ever experienced this supernatural event since the First Century, so every human being including the poster known as "Pressing-On" is lost to a devil's hell without remedy or salvation.

...AND, everyone MUST simply accept Pressing-On's opinion without any validation, Scripture or evidence of any kind."

You do see why I have called the sincerity and even the honesty of the "Three Stepper" camp into question, don't you? You're simply not being candid nor honest about the things you've reported here.

You make stuff up and then say people are "lost" if they don't follow the imaginations of your heart (Romans 1:21).

Your constant nervous laughter is rather telling, as well. LOL!

jfrog 02-08-2010 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 875536)
The circumstances were different
yes,but you do admit it was an actual language in all cases right?

pelathais 02-08-2010 09:43 PM
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If there was any evidence for an actual occurance of an Acts 2:4-8 event in the modern era, wouldn't that already be touted by everyone as "proof" of the supernatural experience?

We wouldn't even be having this discussion if Acts 2:4-8, "happened all the time" today.

So, why do people demand this as the "evidence of salvation?" They can't even show where it has happened at all!

jfrog 02-08-2010 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 875541)
yes,but you do admit it was an actual language in all cases right?
Actually don't answer that. I'll take a page from the Pentecostal Playbook.

Since those in the Acts 2:4 account spoke in actual languages and there is no evidence to show that the others in Acts 10 and Acts 19 did not then we must believe that they also spoke in actual languages since that is the only pattern we have of people receiving the Holy Ghost.

So because actual languages were spoken in every account of someone getting the Holy Ghost then I think we can resolve this dispute by getting 10 tape recordings of 10 apostolics speaking in tongues. We will pay a linguist to examine these and if he can match them to an actual language then there is the proof.

pelathais 02-08-2010 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 875548)
Actually don't answer that. I'll take a page from the Pentecostal Playbook.

Since those in the Acts 2:4 account spoke in actual languages and there is no evidence to show that the others in Acts 10 and Acts 19 did not then we must believe that they also spoke in actual languages since that is the only pattern we have of people receiving the Holy Ghost.

So because actual languages were spoken in every account of someone getting the Holy Ghost then I think we can resolve this dispute by getting 10 tape recordings of 10 apostolics speaking in tongues. We will pay a linguist to examine these and if he can match them to an actual language then there is the proof.
You would think that after 111 years of "speaking in tongues" that such evidence would be freely available to all of those within the Apostolic Faith tradition. Such is simply not the case.

Praxeas 02-08-2010 10:01 PM
Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
 
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Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 875541)
yes,but you do admit it was an actual language in all cases right?
as far as I know they were. Tongues is languages


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