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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127788)

eggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... the question was what must we do???? Please don't add to the Word.

True.. Typing faster than I'm thinking.. but it still stands..

What did Peter say?

You and I both know...

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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 127790)

Your quibbleing because you know I am not saying that either..but your are defending someone who leaves what you believe as essential to preach or promote a different message than that of the Bible...

As long as you hold your position RevR ... anyone who thinks differently and goes on TV ... will always be selling out and cashing in .... PERSPECTIVE IS EVERYTHING ....

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127791)

What does one do to receive ??? The gift of the HG is given my dear friend ....

Only to those that obey the gospel.

Please tell me biblically how one "obeys" the gospel.

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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 127794)

True.. Typing faster than I'm thinking.. but it still stands..

What did Peter say?

You and I both know...

Yes he gave 2 commands and told of one promise ....

Yet in your theology ... speaking in tongues becomes a loop the must be hurdled or hell awaits ....

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127795)

As long as you hold your position RevR ... anyone who thinks differently and goes on TV ... will always be selling out and cashing in .... PERSPECTIVE IS EVERYTHING ....

No.. because there are times I thought we should be.. and times I've thought we shouldn't be.. I am still a little divided about that..

others times I've thought we should have done it years ago...

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127757)

BOOM ARE YOU SERIOUS ????

but I will answer ... since WE'VE ONLY had this discussed maybe 3413 times

1. I believe that baptism is properly administered in Jesus name ... it is not the incantation of the name that saves us but it speaks to the authority and power given to those who call upon his name.

I know that my PAJC brethren have slew of beliefs on this issue ... such as the the blood is applied only at the mention of the name by the baptizer ...

2. We receive God's spirit at repentance ... it is what being born of God or regenerated means ... the baptism of the Holy Ghost ... being immersed in God's Spirit ...which can be evidenced by speaking in other tongues .... is not a hurdle to attaining salvation but a gift from God .... I reject the tongues or hell doctrine.

You're a long way from home Daniel.

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127795)

As long as you hold your position RevR ... anyone who thinks differently and goes on TV ... will always be selling out and cashing in .... PERSPECTIVE IS EVERYTHING ....

If they promote the false trinity doctrine they are.

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127799)

Yes he gave 2 commands and told of one promise ....

Yet in your theology ... speaking in tongues becomes a loop the must be hurdled or hell awaits ....

Not really...we don't seek to speak in tongues... it's the evidence of what comes from us that we are filled with the Holy Ghost.. as you said.. it's a sign..

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Originally Posted by Charlie Brown (Post 127803)

If they promote the false trinity doctrine they are.

Amen!!

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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 127784)

There is no power at repentance only... the Power comes with the Infilling of the Holy Ghost.. else Peter would have preached... when asked what must we do to be saved..

"Repent of your sins and that's it... God's Spirit is in you"...

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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 127790)

Dude.....

You are interesting. Good converstaionalist too.

I am not defending people that stop believing in what Acts 2:38 says to do in response to the Message. I am defending these people right to go on tv and do what they do.

The truth is that if the UPC was not soooooooooo against the tv thing that most of these men and women would not have left. Because they left they are suddenly written off as following another doctrine. The truth is that most that left the UPC and are on TBN still believe the same things. They may not follow a dress code, but everything else is still intact.