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crakjak 12-30-2007 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Apprehended (Post 340381)
I used to subscribe to the Evangel. There was one article in which he was interviewed in which he stated that he had received the "Holy Spirit" as a youngster. As I recall, he said that his Dad was a pioneering Pentecostal (AOG) preacher.

That is correct, I have no doubt that he is filled, of course, my friend EB judges folks Holy Ghost. Now, EB is a good guy just a bit dogmatic! :jolly

Apprehended 12-30-2007 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 340384)
That is correct, I have no doubt that he is filled, of course, my friend EB judges folks Holy Ghost. Now, EB is a good guy just a bit dogmatic! :jolly

Maybe...

But you have to admit...he's cool.

crakjak 12-30-2007 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Apprehended (Post 340392)
Maybe...

But you have to admit...he's cool.

Yes, he is cool and very passionate about the things of the Lord, I love the guy. He even rides the thunder!!:jolly

Evang.Benincasa 12-30-2007 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind (Post 340334)
We were told prior to this year of one highly visible church having John behind the pulpit..... and being on TV.

Assembly of God is a very big coperate organization, it had it's hay day back in the 70s to the 80s Jimmy Swaggart was one of their headliners. Jimmy Swaggart was most likely the first to speak the homma mo shonda before millions of viewers nation wide. Did old Jimmy Sinner have the Holy Ghost? I doubt it.


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Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind (Post 340334)
Again, what does this have to do with only 25% of the largest Pentecostal group having the Holy Ghost?

I was answering a post that Sister Dora had posted http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...7&postcount=57

Interesting about the television issue anyway.


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Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind (Post 340334)
Where is the parallel? Do all the good ALJC churches have a bridge out ahead?!?

What do you mean by all "good" ALJC?

Hoovie 12-30-2007 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 340322)
Is that a fact? Would you happen to have the statistics that prove the above statement. I honestly would like to know.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Of course I don't have stats Ben, But I speak as someone with quite broad exposure to the UPC --- AND one who does not have TV - signal, cable or otherwise. If I want to catch something that is on TV I can most always get it on the internet... In some sense I view TV as old technology. At a hotel I will rarely turn it on, but will immediately set up my laptop.

Evang.Benincasa 12-30-2007 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 340882)
Of course I don't have stats Ben, But I speak as someone with quite broad exposure to the UPC ---

Brother Hoover, I figured that you had no physical statistics for your quote, but I would like to know how you came to hold your belief that only a minority of the UPCI had no television. This would indicate that a majority of ministers are knowingly disregarding their own bylaws.
Could you please explain how you came to your opinion that only a minority of the UPCI were non-television viewers.

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 340882)
AND one who does not have TV - signal, cable or otherwise. If I want to catch something that is on TV I can most always get it on the internet... In some sense I view TV as old technology. At a hotel I will rarely turn it on, but will immediately set up my laptop.

You were on a television program isn't that correct? Wouldn't that of been a direct disregard of the Ministerial Manuel's prohibition against a minister being on television?

I understand that the manual makes allowances for a minister being on television when it's a News report, but am I correct that you and your family were part of a television show prior to the resolution 4's passing?

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Sister Alvear 12-31-2007 02:29 AM

We can talk and talk about television and I do not have one or want one but I still think the internet is far more dangerous.
I spoke a little while yesterday to our people about the heart..yeah I know people had rather blast other things from the pulpit BUT the HEART is the HEART of the matter.
I hate the expressions UC and Libs...
It is human nature to justify what we like and condemn what we do not like. I was in the home of one of the greatest UC´s in Pentecost and he had blogs of performances on the whole time we were there...
I am sure the same things were shown on TV. In fact I know it was because someone else mentioned the same thing to me EXCEPT they saw it on TV...

So dear ones we must be very careful and MAKE sure our convictions are GOD given and not man pleasing...or since we have so many camps in Pentecost we become camp pleasing...

I say get your convictions and LIVE them...

I once was invited and went on vacation with someone that did things they preached against...the surprize must have shown on my face and they said...OH, Sister Alvear we do these things on vacation...we are resting...

It really was nothing sinful except for the fact they preached against it in their pulpit...
In our quest for right I have been the same in my younger days anything someone preached against I tried to live because it was and always has been my greatest desire to please my lovely Lord...no sacrifice could be to great to please Him...however in time I learned that my lovely Lord had nothing to do with many things that people preached against...and I learnt some of the greatest sins are seldom mentioned...Who shall abide in thy tabernacle? He that hath clean hands and a PURE heart...

Sister Alvear 12-31-2007 02:30 AM

and please take note my opinions are only my opinions and sometimes are not the opinion of my husband or sons...I only speak FOR myself.

PastorD 12-31-2007 02:36 AM

[QUOTE=Evang.Benincasa;340824]Assembly of God is a very big coperate organization, it had it's hay day back in the 70s to the 80s Jimmy Swaggart was one of their headliners. Jimmy Swaggart was most likely the first to speak the homma mo shonda before millions of viewers nation wide. Did old Jimmy Sinner have the Holy Ghost? I doubt it.



Why do you doubt he had HG?

Hoovie 12-31-2007 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 340049)
Why even discuss this Boom? A small minority in the UPC do not watch/own TV.

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 340882)
Of course I don't have stats Ben, But I speak as someone with quite broad exposure to the UPC --- AND one who does not have TV - signal, cable or otherwise. If I want to catch something that is on TV I can most always get it on the internet... In some sense I view TV as old technology. At a hotel I will rarely turn it on, but will immediately set up my laptop.

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 340924)
Brother Hoover, I figured that you had no physical statistics for your quote, but I would like to know how you came to hold your belief that only a minority of the UPCI had no television. This would indicate that a majority of ministers are knowingly disregarding their own bylaws.
Could you please explain how you came to your opinion that only a minority of the UPCI were non-television viewers.



You were on a television program isn't that correct? Wouldn't that of been a direct disregard of the Ministerial Manuel's prohibition against a minister being on television?

I understand that the manual makes allowances for a minister being on television when it's a News report, but am I correct that you and your family were part of a television show prior to the resolution 4's passing?

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com


My statement was made purely from observation, and discussion with longtime UPC ministers/membership. While limiting the statement to "ministers" may make it less accurate, I believe there are very few ministers who do not watch television, given opportunity, and even fewer of the membership. For the ministers it may not generally include ownership.

Minister's manuals.... I don't have them and don't care too much what they say, but my view would be that the intent of the authors was to limit exposure of worliness commonly found on TV AND the internet. Me not having TV has nothing to do with any prohibition to do so.

Yes we were on national TV - it was a wonderful experience. I don't think it brings up any question of our faith... it is like getting a write-up in a national newspaper, but then, I don't keep the New York Times on my coffeee table either.


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