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DividedThigh 06-04-2008 01:19 PM
Re: Barak Obama Clinches Democratic Nomination
 
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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 483644)
Oh and while we are on the subject, he is very friendly with a known liberal TERRORIST

Growing up my daddy used to tell me "show me your friends and I will tell you who you are"
yo daddy was right, lol

CC1 06-04-2008 01:20 PM
Re: Barak Obama Clinches Democratic Nomination
 
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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 483638)
Here is what I know. he wants to raise my taxes, he wants to increase spending by a trillion dollars, and he wants to loose the war in Iraq. AND he will appoint idiots like Ginsburg to the supreme court.

AND he wants to nationalize health care.

I dont care if he is more conservitive than Attila the Hun. If he wants to do the above, he needs to be elected sewage system cleaner not president.
Ding, ding, ding!!!! We have a winner. Ferd's post says it all.

tstew 06-04-2008 01:21 PM
Re: Barak Obama Clinches Democratic Nomination
 
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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 483661)
Here is another vote by our guy Obama

Support non-embryonic-stem-cell research. April 11. (70-28; 60 votes required because of a unanimous consent agreement) C-2


He voted no.

you know why? because he wants embrionic stemcell research.

Forget the scientific fact that non-embrionic stemcell research is actually being USED to treat people and the other kind (you know, the kind that kills a HUMAN BEING) has not been proven successfull at all.

LIBERAL ABOVE GOOD SENSE!

But Barak wants change and "Changey-Change-Change" is the all important issue!
But at least now we are talking real issues in black and white. That is all I want. There are certainly votes that I consider too liberal for me, but then there are votes that I believe can be misleading in it's label as liberal.

Ferd 06-04-2008 01:21 PM
Re: Barak Obama Clinches Democratic Nomination
 
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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 483659)
Ferd I just don't understand what you mean when you say things like "making us lose the war in Iraq". That was bungled without help from Obama or anyone else for that matter. I don't even want to mention Afghanistan.
I just want to have all the facts for myself. What the National Journal considers a liberal position based on the fact the "conservatives" are opposed can be misleading.
It's just that this White House has destroyed my trust in it to a great enough extent that things are not as simple as they used to be.
My friend, I have LISTENED to Barak. HE has stated that he will pull us out of Iraq and do so before that place is stable.

kind of like what happened in Vietnam (under a Republican).

bottom line, His view, that we pull out now, will lead to Iraq destablizing. When it falls apart, even if we are not there, WE LOOSE!

Barak Obamas position is to LOOSE the war in Iraq. period. end of story. it is exactly what he WANTS.

Ron 06-04-2008 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 483654)
All of Clintons friends are dead (ie Vince Foster)

Now that's a scary thought!
Not to mention, one should keep Bill away from the White House at any cost!


McCains "friends" and by that I mean the folk he has hung with for the last 20 years or so, tend to not be guilty of BOMING THE PENTEGON.
A vote for McCain is pretty much a vote for an indirect third term of George Bush.

tstew 06-04-2008 01:25 PM
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We supposedly already "won" the war in Iraq years ago. That position, and yours my friend, are made by people who don't understand the nature of the situation in Iraq or civil war in general. The United States cannot win the Iraqi Civil War (even though we started it). That is something we should have learned in Vietnam.

DividedThigh 06-04-2008 01:25 PM
Re: Barak Obama Clinches Democratic Nomination
 
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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 483669)
A vote for McCain is pretty much a vote for an indirect third term of George Bush.
dont agree ron, mccain got beat by bush in 2000 for the nomination cause they are different, not the same, sounds like a dem parrot talking, lol

mizpeh 06-04-2008 01:25 PM
Re: Barak Obama Clinches Democratic Nomination
 
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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 483667)
My friend, I have LISTENED to Barak. HE has stated that he will pull us out of Iraq and do so before that place is stable.

kind of like what happened in Vietnam (under a Republican).

bottom line, His view, that we pull out now, will lead to Iraq destablizing. When it falls apart, even if we are not there, WE LOOSE!

Barak Obamas position is to LOOSE the war in Iraq. period. end of story. it is exactly what he WANTS.
Ferd, LOSE not loose. :)

Ron 06-04-2008 01:26 PM
Re: Barak Obama Clinches Democratic Nomination
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 483667)
My friend, I have LISTENED to Barak. HE has stated that he will pull us out of Iraq and do so before that place is stable.

kind of like what happened in Vietnam (under a Republican).

bottom line, His view, that we pull out now, will lead to Iraq destablizing. When it falls apart, even if we are not there, WE LOOSE!

Barak Obamas position is to LOOSE the war in Iraq. period. end of story. it is exactly what he WANTS.
I believe there will be pressure to bear on him to not do that from powers that be.

However, a majority of Americans want the troops home, are all Americans stupid?
I don't think so, they just don't want another Vietnam where the troops are there for 13 plus years with a great cost in lives while still losing the war.

Ferd 06-04-2008 01:26 PM
Re: Barak Obama Clinches Democratic Nomination
 
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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 483666)
But at least now we are talking real issues in black and white. That is all I want. There are certainly votes that I consider too liberal for me, but then there are votes that I believe can be misleading in it's label as liberal.
Bro, there are some votes in that list that dont look so liberal and make no sense to be considered liberal.

But when you look at the depth of what he voted for, as it applies to what he has at his core, you see a guy that wants to raise taxes and spending by trillions of dollars, wants to pull out of Iraq right now, will talk to Iran and other terrorists at a presidential level, and uses JKF as the example.

Not withstanding the FACT that it was JFKs talks with the Russians that led them to think he was weak and thus to put missils in Cuba. Remember that? the Cuban Missil crisis?

it was an extenion of JFK coming off weak in talking to the Russians.

and Barak is using that has the president for his talking to that Iranian terrorist president.

no thanks. I dont want a president who cannot grasp the historic context.


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