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ILG 12-01-2008 08:58 AM

Re: Can A Muslim Be A Good American???
 
I have a co-worker who is a Muslim. She is a great person, she practices a different faith. I may not agree but she doesn't hold Christianity against me. She isn't fundamentalist. Her husband has a Ph.D. in anthropology and she said "It's all the same".

the fighter 02-07-2009 11:01 AM

Re: Can A Muslim Be A Good American???
 
the person whose allegiance is to Allah, the God of all people quits unequity
no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam in Domesday but in the Livingness in islam people must respected other people whatever their Religion is and muslims are Well-mannered
five pillars ... i don't know what you mean
his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day... that makes confederation betwixt all muslims in all the worlds and that doesn't affects on his allegiance to his home
Islam doesn't forbids muslims to make friends with Christians or Jews but when jews in Palestine killed the people and take their home how could he like him and be his friend???
the spiritual leaders do that because you all know what Israel do in Palestine and the last Government allow Israel to do what it do !...
marry four womem sometimes is good e.g : when their is a war and many men killed women and child will be lonely and can do nothing so when the man is marry that woman with her children he gave her and her children a house and money to live....
whatever I said is not enough about how great is Islam and if the leaders of thw world take their roules from Quran all the world's problems will end...

Antipas 06-14-2009 08:47 PM

Re: Can A Muslim Be A Good American???
 
My director is Muslim and is one of the finest men I know. We even have Muslim soldiers and chaplains risking their lives fighting terrorism in the Middle East. So yes, a Muslim can be a good American.

However, don't be naive... a large number have their sights on political jihad in the United States. Of course... who wouldn't expect that. Even Christians have tried to shape the laws of the land via politics to align them with our religious values. Since Islam is the fastest growing religion in America, and world wide, we should ask ourselves.... how much religion do we want in government, because one day it might be Islamic religion that is becoming the moving force in American politics. This is why Christians need to take a solid stand for the separation of religion from the state. Secular government can act as a protective buffer for us all... if we tear down the walls between church and state... we leave the door wide open for Islamic believers.

areyourucky 01-16-2010 03:44 PM

Re: Can A Muslim Be A Good American???
 
Any Islam country is ruled with wrath and fear. If islam is so pure on wine and beer, why do 90% of C- stores owned by Islam owners sell beer,wine , porn and anything else to make a buck. Name a place where it is dangerous to live, and islam is there.
More islam, more hate and killing.

DebraBunnyLuv 01-18-2010 03:10 AM

Re: Can A Muslim Be A Good American???
 
No offense but this topic is rather silly...sort of like a bunch of Apostolics trying to decide whether or not a trinitarian can be a good Christian.

Islam is a complex and multifaceted religion infused with many cultural influences. You find a wide range of individuals from fanatical jihadists to those who sincerely try to apply their faith to those who are wordly and apathetic.

Liberal fearmongers are stirring up similar fears of 'right wing Christians' as if we are all these little soldiers bent on patriarchal domination and theocracy. Being stereotyped really stinks.

Walks_in_islam 01-29-2010 09:13 AM

Re: Can A Muslim Be A Good American???
 
Funny you would say that: From Columbia (#1 in murders per capita) to the United States (#24) followed by Armenia and India there are no muslim countries in that "top 25" list. Yemen falls after India. Next Muslim country is Malaysia at #34 then Indonesia way down at #57. Indeed Saudi Arabia and Qatar are dead last at #61 and #62 respectively.

Of course the US leads the world in per capita behind bars. Must because it is so safe......

I will now name places where it is dangerous to live:

Violent death rate per 100,000

Iraq: Height of the war in 2006: 27.51

Also in 2006

New Orleans: 53.1
Washington DC: 45.0
Detroit: 41.8
Baltimore: 37.7
Atlanta: 34.9
St Louis: 31.4

Places are now named. You now have the opportunity to elaborate on your brilliant post.

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Originally Posted by areyourucky (Post 866415)
Any Islam country is ruled with wrath and fear. If islam is so pure on wine and beer, why do 90% of C- stores owned by Islam owners sell beer,wine , porn and anything else to make a buck. Name a place where it is dangerous to live, and islam is there.
More islam, more hate and killing.


Thomas Trini 02-08-2010 06:20 PM

Re: Can A Muslim Be A Good American???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 871742)
Funny you would say that: From Columbia (#1 in murders per capita) to the United States (#24) followed by Armenia and India there are no muslim countries in that "top 25" list. Yemen falls after India. Next Muslim country is Malaysia at #34 then Indonesia way down at #57. Indeed Saudi Arabia and Qatar are dead last at #61 and #62 respectively.

Does that number (of murders in Muslim countries) include Christians who are executed for believing in something other than Allah? I doubt it.

Walks_in_islam 02-13-2010 05:06 AM

Re: Can A Muslim Be A Good American???
 
Data is data and is generated on secular sites. It is public information and you are quite free to research your own. Of course and as usual you bring nothing, know nothing, and have nothing of value to share except for your "doubts". Doubts dont change data.

SO: How many christians executed for any reason in saudi arabia in 2009? none. How many killed randomly right back in the good ole US of A? thousands. Does motive matter? Is not the victim just as dead? The poster claimed "name a place that is dangerous to live...." and the places are neatly listed in order of their "dangerousness". In developed countries Saudi and Qatar are dead last. They happen to be (2) of the most conservative muslim countries out there. The numbers do not support the "dangerousness" claim.

No matter how many "muslims" sell liquor in their stores or turn poppy seed into goodies the liquor still tends to find its way down the gullets and the dope up the noses of "christian" countries. Which means - until your own backyard is cleaned up and YOUR neighborhoods are down at #62 then it would probably be a good idea to set up a mirror and determine what changes need to be made to make the image that mirror look better before publicly puking this smelly nonsense.

Summary: What you think or feel actually has no bearing on factual data. When one's beliefs fall outside the realm of factual information then these beliefs are known as delusions. LOL....


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Originally Posted by Thomas Trini (Post 875342)
Does that number (of murders in Muslim countries) include Christians who are executed for believing in something other than Allah? I doubt it.


Thomas Trini 02-16-2010 05:11 PM

Re: Can A Muslim Be A Good American???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 877109)
Data is data and is generated on secular sites. It is public information and you are quite free to research your own. Of course and as usual you bring nothing, know nothing, and have nothing of value to share except for your "doubts". Doubts dont change data.

SO: How many christians executed for any reason in saudi arabia in 2009? none. How many killed randomly right back in the good ole US of A? thousands. Does motive matter? Is not the victim just as dead? The poster claimed "name a place that is dangerous to live...." and the places are neatly listed in order of their "dangerousness". In developed countries Saudi and Qatar are dead last. They happen to be (2) of the most conservative muslim countries out there. The numbers do not support the "dangerousness" claim.

No matter how many "muslims" sell liquor in their stores or turn poppy seed into goodies the liquor still tends to find its way down the gullets and the dope up the noses of "christian" countries. Which means - until your own backyard is cleaned up and YOUR neighborhoods are down at #62 then it would probably be a good idea to set up a mirror and determine what changes need to be made to make the image that mirror look better before publicly puking this smelly nonsense.

Summary: What you think or feel actually has no bearing on factual data. When one's beliefs fall outside the realm of factual information then these beliefs are known as delusions. LOL....

Please go to "The Voice of the Martyrs" website for better information than this. It's filled with scores of news reports in a number of countries that contradict your assertions.

Walks_in_islam 02-17-2010 09:44 AM

Re: Can A Muslim Be A Good American???
 
For free you can visit any number of secular websites - some UN based, some US based, and research statistics to your heart's content. Filed and noted is your lack of a single number from ANY site anywhere that indicates that the rankings above are inaccurate. I am not stunned that you, once again, have no number, statistic, fact, figure, or basis for your opinion.

YOU bring some "pay to read about someone's suffering" christian website. (laughing) it figures that a group of modern christians could turn the misfortune of others into a profit opportunity. Your "pay site" is respectfully declined.

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