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Loren!!!!!:throwrock

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Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha

Bro B is right on prophecy by wrong on tithing!!!!

That is a funny one!!!

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:heeheehee

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:highfive

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So why then are you so vindictive? And feel you must change everyone to your way of thinking. Please explain this passage and tell us how it fits into the scheme of things in prophecy.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

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That is because Sean was CALLED to be an Apostle to free the church of all those who oppose him. :tinfoil

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I havent studied it out Loren. I have heard folks teach on it and read their stuff, but somehow, it does not seem clear to me.

The "gap" is okay though.

There is a "gap" that Jesus and Paul spoke of, that the prophet may not have been addressing.

Here is the "gap" that must be addressed by us today......

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.


Romans 11:25 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.


I think this is saying that when the last Gentile comes in(rapture), then the Lord will return to Israel. It simply has not happened yet.


Those that teach the "gap" concept, view these verses as part of the equation of the times of the Church age also.

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Hmm interesting

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The very last Gentile comes into the rapture?

Yeah, real interesting! :laffatu

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It's also true

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Yeah sure.

In one's imagination. :)

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Please tell me when this gap started? Just when did God turn from the Jews, and turn to the Gentiles?

And what is the criteria that the last Gentile comes in? When millions of new births happen everyday, what kind of a God choses a point in time to take a certain number out of the world, and condemn the rest to hell?

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That is so strange Sean, there is nothing to study out. I mean after all it should be pretty clear to you since you read scripture literally.

I mean literally speaking, what does this verse say?

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Forget about the rest of the verses for now and just give me what this one verse is saying.

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Going on, how do you read into these two passaged a gap? A gap in what?

You seem to say that the time of the Gentiles has been the period of time between Jerusalem's destruction, and today when Israel became a nation. But the only time frame we have of Gentiles treading Jerusalem is for three and a half years. Rev. 11:2 which is exactly the amount of time Rome laid siege to the city, from 67-70ad.

Trivia for you to think about, you may not know. Jesus was not a Jew, he was an Israelite. Study that one out.

But back to your gap, you say the gap refers to the church age. Just what is the church age, and where did we get that idea?
Who and what was the church from the beginning? The Gentiles? NO the Gentiles were added to the church, they were never THE church.

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Here try this pineapple.

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Here is my take on it Loren,,,,,,


Jesus came in "70 weeks".....Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity.....

Then the church age started, which is a PRE-MILLENNIAL experience!!!(gap starts)

The end of the verse... and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy....is yet to happen upon the 2nd coming of Christ.

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That is where the 2000 year "gap" comes in, Loren.

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Everlasting righteousness is ushered in at the start of the 1000 year Millennial....




Matt 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

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ok, you're arguing this on like 3 threads now. At least.

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probably 5....LOL

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Are there more than 70 weeks? Those that teach this gap theory place the gap in between weeks 69 and 70.

You're bad at your eschatology.

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Thanks....I thought you would approve!!!:thumbsup

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I must have posted this more times than I care to remember, but your so-called (Search for Truth) Bible studies must be virtual gladiator school. You start popping off with your angry meltdowns and the chart goes flying! Chairs flipped backwards, Triple Venti White Mocha splashed across a college student's NIV study Bible. Young man runs for the door after you smack him with the chart, because he asked you why 70 A.D. is in your charts, followed with the statement "excuse me sir but isn't Matthew 24 fulfilled?" All this while you are screaming at the top of your lungs because you can't get WIFI to have your Pastor, Brother Google to give you the answers you so desperately need. :laffatu

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Here I thought you were a literalist, in the reading of scripture. Read the verse again Sean, as always you are adding to the verse something not in the passage. THERE IS NO GAP!!!

All six points in verse 9 are to happen within the 70 weeks. THERE IS NO GAP!!!

So please try again, And while you are at it, tell me again when the supposed gap started. Because the church was first established with only Jews, and the Gentiles were added to the church. So again when did this gap start?

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Loren, I am trying to tell you that the passage is covering the entire church age, into the Millienial.

Do you actually think that the world is everlastingly righteous?("and to bring in everlasting righteousness")

Loren, it is not even "hypothetically" righteous.

If you think that the Lord is simply, slowly but surely working on it, then He is slow as molasses.(2000 years of less righteousness)

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Hence is the point. Sean. If the scripture does not fit YOUR thinking YOU change the meaning THAT IS FUTURISM.

The verse very clearly states all 6 things will come to pass within 70 weeks. There is not one word that remotely suggest a 2000 year gap anywhere in the passage.

Futurist instead of finding what is meant by "everlasting righteousness" would much rather say the word lies, and make a Gap between point a and point b.

YOU ARE NOT READING THE VERSE, SEAN, READ THE VERSE WITHOUT YOUR PRECONCIEVED MIND SET!

It does not matter what you or I think the verse should say, it is what the verse says that is important.

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Prove it. Don't just tell it.
Show us the reasons.

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The point is Loren, the world is NOT righteous, and the Lord has had 2000 years to spread righteousness as it spirals out of control from spiritual to carnal unrighteousness.

Doesn't that make you wonder?

Is being a preterist that big a deal to you to, override reality?

With this in mind, you are not defending your preconcieved opinion of scripture to defend preterism?

I just look at world events and society and realize how satanic and sin sick our world is getting when I read the verse.

Either the Word of God lied to us, or the King of Righteousness has not returned yet.

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There is no other explanation for this verse Loren....the everlasting righteousness is clearly unnoticeable in our world. The world is becoming more Godless and wicked by the day.

Jesus must return as the hundreds of passages declare to BRING IN everlasting righteousness......IMMEDIATELY!

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The cross brought it in. It's talking about what the cross did.

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No, it correlates with mountains of verses that show Jesus physically reigning over the earth and establishing righteousness, Mike.


Must I begin to post these passages of Jesus returning to take over the earth and establish PHYSICAL righteousness in the earth?

Just say yes, if you want to see them.....

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No it is talking about the work of the cross, like the entire bible.

Show me one verse that says Jesus physically rules on the earth in the future. One will be enough.

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ok please don't be asking him to repost all of those verses that he takes literally, that point to the spiritual Revelation. Or just skip right to the sword question so he'll ignore you!

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Man, all this stuff is confusing to me. One would think there would be a simple process to eliminate what is history and what is future.

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2 verses for starters......


Psalm 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel......


Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.



Mike, do you disagree with what you just read?

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Sean, when pressed you reveal that you do not even agree with a literal interpretation, at least at Rev, so what are you asking?yes--and i suggest to you that there is. Leaving aside the obvious implications of "Understand I AM" for the moment, all one need do is ask themselves how holding either perspective, or even a belief in some elements of both, changes how they operate right now, which is after all the only place we will ever be. It is always "now," iow, but even a preterist has a belief in a "then." Things will be different then--whenever then might be--than they are now, the only diff being that then will have become now.

So, outlining the differences in a preterist v a futurist perspective of "now" might clarify our widely held confusion, which btw i believe is manufactured, and intended at some level in order to obscure the kingdom.

None of that spoke of him ruling on earth physically. Still waiting.

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Amen good elders

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Okay, you asked for it....

Ezekiel 38King James Version (KJV)

38 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.

8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.

10 Thus saith the Lord God; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:

11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?

14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord God; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?

15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:

16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.

17 Thus saith the Lord God; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?

18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord God, that my fury shall come up in my face.

19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord God: every man's sword shall be against his brother.

22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the Lord.





Looks a little bit physical to me!!!!




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again, i doubt you could find a preterist who would deny that the future will be different from now; you are intentionally accusing them of something that is not true, and being deliberately obtuse so as not to accept that this is a spiritual fullfillment, which prolly no one fully grasps, perhaps, but which you insist, vehemently, that you have all figured out, Christ spitting swords, and no two ways about it lol. ok.