Because...why? Our leaders have taught us to keep out mouths shut about any and everything. Church members in the UPCI have no voice with regards to any church business. Anyone who does in rebelious and out of line. Speaking from 50 years of observation...

Church members have no say on an organizational level. Voting members of the church have a lot of say. Thing is, many 'voters' don't want to make decisions. They want "whatever you feel is best, pastor." I've sat through those kind of business meetings. Frustrating. LoL

The Veggie Tales guys are "bad" in E.B.'s book but the late outspoken atheist Bertrand Russell is quotable? :dunno

Did you not read what i just said to WH? In case you didn't, I told him I hope him well in his endeavors.

Church services aren't a good time and place to discuss organizational politics. I see nothing wrong with a pastor sharing information if he wants to, or if someone is interested, but taking up precious time during service? It's not important enough.

I don't believe a pastor should hide information from those who want to know.

Coonskinner's quote was right on--how an organization votes shouldn't affect the way an assembly believes or teaches. It could affect their practices, if they believed something, but were being hampered by the organization, and then the organization removes the obstacle, as with the TV resolution. But inherent beliefs and teachings should remain exactly as they were before.

I think saints should expect normalcy and honesty. But not necessarily out-of-character full disclosure, especially in a time frame normally set aside for worshiping God and ministering to saints and sinners, neither of which should include irrelevant politics that only a few will have a vested interest in.

Do anyone of you feel like if a church is affiliated then they have a right to be informed? My pastor last night mentioned that there where changes in the way the UPC was going and that we should pray about it, but he never mentioned what those changes were.

I am not to sure that the people in my church care to be informed but I feel like if someone wanted to know I think my pastor would discuss it with them but he just isn't going to go there from the pulpit.

I myself would rather be informed than to be ignorant of the whole situation.

Exactly!! I can't understand why that is so hard to understand. At our church if the pastor got up and started talking about stuff like that, the saints would be looking at him like he was crazy. Our services would not be an environment for that kind of discussion to be taking place. If it was something that would affect how we do business or our doctrinal stances, then he would have a special business meeting. In this case, nothing that happened at conference would affect us one way or the other. Well, I take that back, the WD split will affect our district, but not our local assembly so much, and most of the people already knew that was coming.

I am more willing to quote an atheist who makes some sense than a Trinitarian or Rabbinical cucumber who is flying under the radar to decive children. At least Bertrand Russell allows you to know where he is coming from, but the talking lettuce is desguised as something Biblical?

The United Pentecostal Church voting in Television is not telling us where she is going, but it tells us where's she at.

Evangelist Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Yes I noticed your offer of blessing, but that came after you hassled him.
Go back and re-read your posts.

As I read the later posts, CS has a situation totally different from the Church I attend. Read my posts #53 and #54. This resolution will change what has been taught and is a topic that has the congregation split. It is to the point some saints won't fellowship with others because of what goes on in their homes. (not just TV) The topic of this thread now seems to show that each church's situation is different and unique. Does he just keep sweeping the strife under the rug or should he address it and let the members decide to go or stay?