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Ron 06-04-2008 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 483691)
bump...just in case anyone had an opinion.
It is a mess, & however well intentioned it was to go in there (I am being generous) people now matter what country you are from, don't want America as an occupying power!

DividedThigh 06-04-2008 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 483694)
How do I know?
Well true, I haven't talked to every American, but I have seen "Polls" & we as Canadians have troops in Afghanistan & a majority of Canadians want our troops home.

They were going to come home 2009, but that was extended to 2011.
not picking on ya buddy, as a matter of fact i just watched a coming home parade for one of our gurard units, great that they are home, but the fight must be fought, the majority of people i know want the job to be done, then we are out, by the way, we are still in germany, japan and korea, what is that now 60 yrs, dt

Ferd 06-04-2008 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 483671)
We supposedly already "won" the war in Iraq years ago. That position, and yours my friend, are made by people who don't understand the nature of the situation in Iraq or civil war in general. The United States cannot win the Iraqi Civil War (even though we started it). That is something we should have learned in Vietnam.
you dun drunk the democrat coolaid.

No one has EVER Suggested that we have "won"

and Iraq is not a civil war. and the lesson we learned in Vietnam is that when liberals cry we end up loosing.

we lost vietnam because of cowards like ted kennedy and others who WANTED to loose.

NOT because it was a so called civil war.

the situation in Iraq is very much winnable. the majority of Iraqis want us there and want a free society and know they can get it with out help.

but we have too many liberals who smell power and have decided they can get power by loosing.

Ferd 06-04-2008 01:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron (Post 483675)
I believe there will be pressure to bear on him to not do that from powers that be.

However, a majority of Americans want the troops home, are all Americans stupid?
I don't think so, they just don't want another Vietnam where the troops are there for 13 plus years with a great cost in lives while still losing the war.
egads.

Ron 06-04-2008 01:37 PM
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That is not to say those countries that are allowing people to promote terrorism or an outright hatred of America, should be given a free pass either.

Ferd 06-04-2008 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 483674)
Ferd, LOSE not loose. :)
ok, ok!

Ferd 06-04-2008 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 483702)
That is not to say those countries that are allowing people to promote terrorism or an outright hatred of America, should be given a free pass either.
yea. according to mr obama we need to sit down and talk to them.

that way we can build trust and openness and come to a better understanding.

puke.

DividedThigh 06-04-2008 01:38 PM
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ron my friend for the record, i want victory and then the troops home, but i am also convinced that the iraqi people dont want peace, if they did they would rise up and fight the terrorists among them and it would be done, dt

Ron 06-04-2008 01:39 PM
Re: Barak Obama Clinches Democratic Nomination
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DividedThigh (Post 483699)
not picking on ya buddy, as a matter of fact i just watched a coming home parade for one of our gurard units, great that they are home, but the fight must be fought, the majority of people i know want the job to be done, then we are out, by the way, we are still in germany, japan and korea, what is that now 60 yrs, dt
And there is pressure in those countries for the troops to leave as well.
They also are not there as an occupying power.

Don't you think that there should be a push toward Iraq sovereignty?

Ferd 06-04-2008 01:39 PM
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Folks, we had issues in Germany until the 1950's. we still have bases both there and in Japan 60 years later.


I want a stable ally in the middle east where we can have bases of operations. just like we do in Europe and the far east.


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