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I'm happy to be living in an area where this whole Tulsa thing is hardly a blip on the radar. :thumbsup
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can someone add things to your post if they are quoting?
It looks like Bro Epley's post was changed in a quote? |
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Yes, StMark was attempting to be humorous. :toofunny |
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Shouldn't be adding to a post though. :nah |
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On the committee are UPC-AMF-again GIBs from different fellowship areas. So the focus of the meeting is simple: prayer praise preaching fellowship I think I do remember seeing someone praise dancing at least I think they were.:happydance |
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Here, RevBuddy, is a systematic explaination of 'discuss':
How's that? Okay... next. He perverted a small portion of what I actually did say in a prior, extensive post describing why some people want to find a more conservative quality of fellowship. There... that prior post was also discussion on the matter that was at hand and not some backhanded cheap shot at leaders, convictions or character. Let's face it, RevBuddy, why don't I find something about you that I know nothing about and twist it for the purpose of accusing you of lying. Let me start eloquating my unknowledgeable opinions, say on your family - church - ministry, and twisting certain details to make it look like you are a liar lacking character. What a class act. 'Emotionalism'? Ridiculous! In this place it's called preservation of character. |
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I rest my case...oh, yes...maybe you can find an even larger font...
What I meant was...let's get off the "what he said stuff" and discuss the bigger issue of the ramifications of the WPF versus UPCI split... I'll start first...here's why I say it is a control-driven event... 1. Being unable to "control" the outcome of the GC voting, they needed an outlet to "control" their environment, i.e., form a new fellows.., I'm sorry, a new organization that will assist in "controlling" the issue, thereby its overall impact on them and their fellowship buddies. 2. Having said that, I believe that it is ALSO a "control" issue for those on the majority vote side. In the aftermath of the vote, they seek to "control" the hearts and minds of their constituency at large...those beyond the immediate influence of the "Tulsa 6." So I think I'm being fair here to both sides...it is clearly a control issue for both. I'll even give you the point that I could have stated that upfront in the discussion. :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: |
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I don't think many here are thinking this issue through.
Be that as it may... I don't want to ever hear any of those men, especially those six, preach a message on the doctrine of submission. Neither do I want to ever hear them preach a message on brotherly love and UNITY...especially if has to do with being in one mind and in one accord. All things are NOT...are NOT what they appear to be on the surface. Somebody...anybody.... Turn your headlights on and slow down. The bridge is OUT up ahead. |
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Your points generally have some merit. I've no problem with legitimate points. I have a problem with personal attacks. And, as for my font, I've been around here a LONG time in these forums. My font has always been just as it is now. I kind of like it. It makes it easier to see if someone is replying to a post. As to you points? I can see how some think it's that way but, in all honesty, I just don't see it that way. I think that, at least with 95% of the people who are going to find their fellowship with the Tulsa crew, they just got tired of seeing issues that were valuable to them diminished further and further. That was, before I was called a liar, my original point; I think that some are just tired of seeing the things they value compromised in front of their people. The television aspect was, in my gut honest opinion, just the 'final straw' that broke the camels back for most of them. |
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Steadfast...I was JUST kidding...take it easy!!
What are the OTHER ISSUES? |
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In other words, use whatever font you'd like...I was kidding you...
but, what are the other "straws" before the last "straw?" |
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It is not about the proverbial straws at all. It is not about what someone else might be doing within the fellowship. It is about unrest and discontentment in the soul...a dissatisfaction, a utopian longing of idealistic aspirations crippled by deception. When the light fades, ghosts appear and the peace of God takes His flight, the mind is left to wander without an anchor while continually seeking yet another milestone of perfection in the flesh. Such men trouble you. Paul said that he would that they were CUT OFF. But Jesus said, "Peace give I unto you, not as the world gives, give I, but my peace. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither be afraid." |
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I'm sorry, I just figured that this thread just can't be any more hijacked than it is right now. |
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In all seriousness, I listed other things on the post I was later accused of lying on. But, from the general sentiment of many I know they just get tired of preaching... * Modesty only to see very short skirts and splits that are extreme. * Uncut hair only to go to meetings and see it everywhere. You know as well as I do that the list could go on and on. RevBuddy, I'm relatively sure this isn't your 'first rodeo' and there is no doubt in my mind that you know all the answers before I listed any of them. Even so, for men who really do believe what they preach this becomes problematic. |
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Steadfast, my only issue with this line is, these same issues have been "the issues" since 1945. the UPCI has had men going to meetings and seeing liberals in the camp from day one. more than once, some group of men have left the UPCI because it was too liberal, yet the UPCI seems to still be filled with men who range from one side the other. how come these guys just now got their gut full? i just dont get that. |
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If you are so adamant about them being 'cut off' then Tulsa isn't your problem... it's your answer. I may not be among the Tulsa group... but I stand confident in their right to align themselves with those whose value system more closely matches theirs. To allow anything less is to deny God the right to put those values in them. God bless the Tulsa crowd with great Apostolic revival. I can only hope the UPC has a mighty outpouring as well. |
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*BUMP* For Elder Epley. Did you see my reply above when someone asked if the AMF was an organization? LOL!! |
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Then a few weeks later I visited a different conference and was ask ........ What are you doing here?........as in Dude you are WAYYYY to conserative to be here...... This really bothered me and so I took it to the Lord in prayer...........while I was traveling home from the second conference (and some may not believe this part) I felt the power of God come into the car and so I ask Him.........God what am I to do.........These guys think I am a liberal.....these others think I am too conserative........then I ask, God Where Am I????????? I felt the power of God and then I felt a voice speak to me.......and HE said........Just stay in the shadow of the cross....... Being the IAM that I am I argued.......but what about those on the left who feel I am one way and those on the right who feel I am another........what about them.........Then the answer came......If I am in the shadow of the Cross then those on the left are on the left of the cross and those on the right are on the right and neither one is in the shadow of the Cross........ So from that day on.......I will never try to impress you with how Holy or Liberal I am........I just want to do His will, be saved, and see my family saved and there be a church built in Longview Texas for the Glory of the Kingdom of God......... And my friend other than that.......... NOTHING else matters............ |
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BTW - I am going to be in your fair city next month for a wedding. It is going to be one of those crazy fast trips I hate. One day of driving, one day of wedding, and then one day of driving back home. Arghhhhhh. |
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this is my point. these guys have been in an organization they have been in for many decades. the issues have always been the issues, why now? why this straw? for some, it is 50 years worth of "issues" I dont get that. (I like the shade too) |
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Especially the one you take shots at me with........ :D :D No really if you have the time, I would love to meet ya, but if it dont work, I understand........... |
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That's 'cuz there's not much church life up there |
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Why? it's true isn't it? there's not much church life in the northwest period. |
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You don't want to offend us Northeasternersersers do you? |
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I believe I understand your point - it's about discontented brethren with an unattainable churchview of an absolute Church living ABSOLUTELY. If the early church is any example, and I believe it definitely is, there is nothing absolute about the church at all as it relates to personal and corporate behavior, at least in terms of individual and collective holiness. The writings of the Apostle Paul are fully of corrections and admonishments to these congregations. And, they in turn, were continually attempting to live a godly life in this present world. The trouble with this unattainable churchview is that it mimics the Old Testament law, and in doing so, places an unrealistic performance level on those who attempt to conform to it. Israelites could not, in fact, live up to the Law. It was God's Law; it was His will, and it was perfect. But, real men and women were incapable (even given a sincere desire to obey) of meeting the Law's high standards. The UC among us is often characterized by the inability to recognize the falibility of saints. I realize this is a generalization of the movement, and I'm willing to give and take as necessary, but GENERALLY, the final destination (heaven or hell) of entire congregations is based SOLELY on the individual's conformity and ABSOLUTE obedience to a given set of standards (laws, little "L"). In this case, it is NOT God's law; it is NOT His will and it is NOT perfect. Yes, the Holy Ghost is present to guide and empower the NT convert(at least, that is my assumption for this argument), but if the Holy Ghost is not "teaching" these man-made standards, then the individual will not be "led" to conform or obey. It will, then, be left to the enforcer of the standard to step in. This enforcer usually takes a step-by-step approach in "encouraging" compliance... 1. friendly persuation...encouraging the individual to reach for "more" of God..a great level of sacrifice...and greater dedication and intimacy with God 2. friendly intimidation...educating the individual on the negative aspects of noncompliance, i.e., ineligible for positions, leadership, use, etc. etc.... 3. friendly pressure (always with a smile)...admonishing the indivual on the need for maintaining a standard of holiness...achieving a place with God that few others can't... 4. unfriendly pressure and intimidation...warning the individual of ungodliness and the dangers of loving the world and the things in the world...clearly intimating that noncompliance will result in separation of God and His love... 5. unfriendly separation, shunning and expulsion...judging the individual to be found wanting and unworthy of further effort...a lost cause. There are no doubt other steps in between. However, if unbiblical standards are taught as "salvation issues," where is the Holy Ghost's role in perfecting saints? The Holy Ghost is circumvented by the "under-shepherd." Now the Law is rewritten by the "man of God." If the Word doesn't completely address the issue, the "under-shepherd" clarifies the missing Word with His word...and makes it critical by assigning it an ABSOLUTE value - conform and make heaven...do not conform and be assured of hell's fire. This phenomena is much more serious than we can imagine - to institutionalize our convictions and write them in between the lines of His Word - is to risk hell's fire - not on the part of the saint, but on the part of the "new lawgiver!" It is a strange fire brought from "without the camp." Enough of my brilliance... |
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