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Re: Scoffers on AFF

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Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1392061)

Yes my brother, belief in preterism has clouded the minds of men to reach into other sources and abandon the contextual and literal content of the passages.
It is a powerful belief system, that sends them down rabbit holes to follow and vindicate a group such as this....

http://revelationrevolution.org/how-...es-in-genesis/
Heaven and earth have been renewed at least eight times throughout Biblical history and the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. ....

Whenever a nation was conquered by another, the Bible often portrays this conquest as the destruction and creation of heaven and earth. .....

both Eden and the New Jerusalem are places in both heaven and earth. Thus Genesis 2-3 tells a heavenly story with an earthly shadow. At its heavenly level, Genesis 2-3 is a story about Adam being cast out of the Eden that is in heaven to Earth. The curses of Genesis 3:14-19 were the result of Adam, the Serpent and Eve being cast from heaven to earth to experience these punishments in a world that had presumably already been this way for millennia.....

.http://www.googleadservices.com/page...revolution.org........

You should see the pages of insanity that preterists believe in the post above.

Now Bro. Perez, this is why this argument ensued yesterday, the preterists involved believe this is what 2 Peter 3 is "really" saying....

John Owen
"On this foundation I affirm that the heavens and earth here intended in this prophecy of Peter, the coming of the Lord, the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men, mentioned in the destruction of that heaven and earth, do all of them relate, not to the last and final judgment of the world, but to that utter desolation and destruction that was to be made of the Judaical church and state;...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...QP-WMzj491Ry9A

Is that just INSANE, or what?...LOL

You see Bro. Perez...Many of these preterist leaning commentators like the one mentioned, lived at a time that Israel was not a nation. They were impatient, then in their haste, began to "spiritualize" the passages about Israel because they were trying to vindicate the Bible and their conceived impossibility of Israel re-emerging as a nation.
They can now rest in their graves and believe the Word of God as it says....Israel IS a nation once again and the prophecies of a coming messiah to reign over Israel and the world are ready to be realized!

Hey everyone, Benencasa thinks that the HEAVENS in 2 Peter 3 is "REALLY" supposed to mean the JEWISH LAW of MOSES and the EARTH is supposed to mean the Jews themselves.....

Benencasa thinks Peter was "really" saying The Jewish law and the Jews were to pass away with fervent heat(in secret code)!!!!...LOL

This is why he is twisting 2 Peter 3!!!...LOL

He thinks it is supposed to mean this....

John Owen
"On this foundation I affirm that the heavens and earth here intended in this prophecy of Peter, the coming of the Lord, the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men, mentioned in the destruction of that heaven and earth, do all of them relate, not to the last and final judgment of the world, but to that utter desolation and destruction that was to be made of the Judaical church and state; for which I shall offer these two reasons, of many that might be insisted on from the text:-https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...QP-WMzj491Ry9A

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Benencasa thinks Peter was saying this....

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the JEWISH LAW OF MOSES shall pass away with a great noise, and the JEWS shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the LAW OF MOSES being on fire shall be dissolved, and the JEWS shall melt with fervent heat?

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Second Peter 3 & AD70
A Litmus Test for Hyper-Preterism?

"He sets forth the destruction of that cursed Nation and their City in those terms that Christ had done, Matt. 24. and that the Scripture doth elsewhere, Deut. 32.22,23.24. Jer. 4.23. namely as the destruction of the whole world, The heavens passing away, the elements melting, and the earth burnt up, &c. And accordingly speaks of a new heaven and a new earth, from Isa. 65.17. a new state of the Church under the Gospel among the Gentiles, when this old world of the Jews state should be dissolved." (John Lightfoot, Westminster Assembly Divine)...https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...QP-WMzj491Ry9A

WOW folks, he actually thinks Peter was saying this!!!

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More preterist imaginary reinterpretation of the words "heaven and earth"....

Introduction

In this article we examine II Peter 3:7-13 and decide that the heavens and earth that were marked for destruction involved considerably more than merely Old Testament Judaism, Jerusalem, and the temple.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...2e7J4wR0BzqE3A

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well, what if he is right? you can't prove he is wrong. it is a pov. what if some of it is right? and lastly, if none of it is right, how does this change a believer's walk?

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A typical preterist Bible study night....LOL....

2 Peter 3 that I judge we have overlooked perhaps a third “Heaven and Earth” looming in the background of those verses.
It appears many have failed to recognize that there have been two previous “Heavens and Earths” that have been destroyed and replaced with a third and final everlasting “Heavens and Earth”. I think a closer investigation of 2 Peter 3 will reveal this previously overlooked one which is presumably the first ”Heaven and Earth”
It seems we have been so preoccupied with refuting our partial preterist and dispensationalist brethren in utilizing 2 Peter 3 that I judge we have overlooked perhaps a third “Heaven and Earth” looming in the background of those verses.
It appears many have failed to recognize that there have been two previous “Heavens and Earths” that have been destroyed and replaced with a third and final everlasting “Heavens and Earth”. I think a closer investigation of 2 Peter 3 will reveal this previously overlooked one which is presumably the first ”Heaven and Earth”....
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...pVCGERZSYNUlnA

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i have a question for you. Did we get a new earth and new heavens after the flood?

Re: Scoffers on AFF

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Originally Posted by shazeep (Post 1392405)

well, what if he is right? you can't prove he is wrong. it is a pov. what if some of it is right? and lastly, if none of it is right, how does this change a believer's walk?

The standard consensus of opinion is the apostolic Fathers(founders) died and the scoffers declare nothing has changed.

If you believe these preterist reinterpretations of 2 Peter 3, then you think that the LAST DAYS ended in 70ad, and the 2nd coming is not going to happen as a "thief in the night".

This has a big time impact on those that are waiting for the return of Jesus Christ and the sinner world observing us.

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Originally Posted by shazeep (Post 1392407)

i have a question for you. Did we get a new earth and new heavens after the flood?

No, the same old earth just reemerged as the water dissipated. Heaven also remained heaven.

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Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1392408)

This has a big time impact on those that are waiting for the return of Jesus Christ...

ok, how, other than in what you believe might have happened in the past?