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SavedLou 03-26-2008 10:42 AM

Re: Should standards be an issue when witnessing?
 
it's been my experience that ladies especially who get the holy ghost one night and vow from that moment on to never cut their hair again, put on a pair of pants, etc usually last about 2 months and then you never see them again. not to say that is always the case, but if you truly do something for the right reason you will put much thought and prayer into it first.

scotty 03-26-2008 10:49 AM

Re: Should standards be an issue when witnessing?
 
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Originally Posted by SavedLou (Post 424108)
it's been my experience that ladies especially who get the holy ghost one night and vow from that moment on to never cut their hair again, put on a pair of pants, etc usually last about 2 months and then you never see them again. not to say that is always the case, but if you truly do something for the right reason you will put much thought and prayer into it first.


:thumbsup

Truly Blessed 03-26-2008 10:54 AM

Re: Should standards be an issue when witnessing?
 
What is great is when the standard of a church in any community is such that folks in that community see them as godly, principled, honest, loving and giving people within their community.

Far too many people have defined holiness through what they have separated themselves from, rather than by what they have given themselves to. The focus of our lives should not be the elimination of sin. Once we have been saved we are to reckon ourselves dead to sin, but alive unto God in Christ. (Rom.6:11) Once we have dealt with sin, and begun, through our walk in the Spirit, to live a life that honors God, the focus should become serving God by what we do when when leave the church service on Sunday.

When we let our light (received as a result of salvation) so shine before our community that they see our good works, (Mt. 5:16) not only will God be glorified, but the local church will have set a standard that is very attractive to those who are looking for something real, relevant relational, and restorative.

When folks find a church that truly loves people the dress standard will be overshadowed by their acts of love and mercy! Believe it or not, committing sins of commission is not the greatest tragedy a Christian encounters, because there is a provision for that (1Jn.1:9). The greatest tragedy is the life we fail to live, even though we profess having received the life of Christ.

Timmy 03-26-2008 10:58 AM

Re: Should standards be an issue when witnessing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed (Post 424126)
What is great is when the standard of a church in any community is such that folks in that community see them as godly, principled, honest, loving and giving people within their community.

Far too many people have defined holiness through what they have separated themselves from, rather than by what they have given themselves to. The focus of our lives should not be the elimination of sin. Once we have been saved we are to reckon ourselves dead to sin, but alive unto God in Christ. (Rom.6:11) Once we have dealt with sin, and begun, through our walk in the Spirit, to live a life that honors God, the focus should become serving God by what we do when when leave the church service on Sunday.

When we let our light (received as a result of salvation) so shine before our community that they see our good works, (Mt. 5:16) not only will God be glorified, but the local church will have set a standard that is very attractive to those who are looking for something real, relevant relational, and restorative.

When folks find a church that truly loves people the dress standard will be overshadowed by their acts of love and mercy! Believe it or not, committing sins of commission is not the greatest tragedy a Christian encounters, because there is a provision for that (1Jn.1:9). The greatest tragedy is the life we fail to live, even though we profess having received the life of Christ.

:thumbsup

Jesus never told me how I should dress, but He did tell me to love my neighbor.

scotty 03-26-2008 10:59 AM

Re: Should standards be an issue when witnessing?
 
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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 424106)
Just wondering, it seems you believe that the Holy Spirit guides people in dress/hair standards. E.g., a woman may be led by the Spirit never to cut her hair and never to wear pants. Is that correct?

If so, does He also, in some cases, not lead certain other believers in the same direction? E.g., a woman may feel no conviction about pants, or cutting hair. Is that correct?

Or is the latter woman just not listening to the HS? Or does the HS usually lead people in the same direction as other people in the same local
church?


:bumpsign

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...s/viewpost.gif
On the pants issue - my best friend thinks this is hilarious. She wears pants, but not to church. I can't wear them because I feel sexual in them. She laughs her head off over that. I'm sure it was from my bartending days, but really, I will always feel that way about pants personally. I don't look down on others, but that is why I don't and can't wear them, plus they are uncomfortable. :D

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Originally Posted by Scotty
Exactly , everyone is different...

I have a friend who does not have a tv because he says "I am not good at controling it" It takes his time away from him, yet he has the most awesome collection of PC games I have ever seen, but rarely plays them.

I have a tv, I rarely watch it, mostly Fox news, some History and disovery and animal planet, but usually have praise music going...however , I have given away all of my PC games because they possessed my time. I would be up till midnight or later playing Black Hawk Down online.

See the difference, thats why standards are personal.




So to answer your question , yes...I believe some standards can come from conviction and some are just personal to you.

Believe me , I did not want to get rid of my games, one night I sat down to play and while it was loading it hit me like a ton of bricks on my shoulders......"i could be praying right now, I could be holding a family bible study, I could be at the church fixing something...etc etc. I broke every game CD I had right then and there and threw them in the trash...thats conviction...and I have been blessed tremendously for adhering...

Timmy 03-26-2008 11:29 AM

Re: Should standards be an issue when witnessing?
 
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Originally Posted by scotty (Post 424131)
:bumpsign

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...s/viewpost.gif
On the pants issue - my best friend thinks this is hilarious. She wears pants, but not to church. I can't wear them because I feel sexual in them. She laughs her head off over that. I'm sure it was from my bartending days, but really, I will always feel that way about pants personally. I don't look down on others, but that is why I don't and can't wear them, plus they are uncomfortable. :D

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So to answer your question , yes...I believe some standards can come from conviction and some are just personal to you.

Believe me , I did not want to get rid of my games, one night I sat down to play and while it was loading it hit me like a ton of bricks on my shoulders......"i could be praying right now, I could be holding a family bible study, I could be at the church fixing something...etc etc. I broke every game CD I had right then and there and threw them in the trash...thats conviction...and I have been blessed tremendously for adhering...

I see, thanks.

Jack Shephard 03-26-2008 11:38 AM

Re: Should standards be an issue when witnessing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed (Post 424126)
What is great is when the standard of a church in any community is such that folks in that community see them as godly, principled, honest, loving and giving people within their community.

Far too many people have defined holiness through what they have separated themselves from, rather than by what they have given themselves to. The focus of our lives should not be the elimination of sin. Once we have been saved we are to reckon ourselves dead to sin, but alive unto God in Christ. (Rom.6:11) Once we have dealt with sin, and begun, through our walk in the Spirit, to live a life that honors God, the focus should become serving God by what we do when when leave the church service on Sunday.

When we let our light (received as a result of salvation) so shine before our community that they see our good works, (Mt. 5:16) not only will God be glorified, but the local church will have set a standard that is very attractive to those who are looking for something real, relevant relational, and restorative.

When folks find a church that truly loves people the dress standard will be overshadowed by their acts of love and mercy! Believe it or not, committing sins of commission is not the greatest tragedy a Christian encounters, because there is a provision for that (1Jn.1:9). The greatest tragedy is the life we fail to live, even though we profess having received the life of Christ.

WOW Post of the month here!

Well said Tb, well said. Often times we look at what we are seperate from and not who or what are seperate to..man great words!

Ferd 03-26-2008 12:34 PM

Re: Should standards be an issue when witnessing?
 
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Originally Posted by staysharp (Post 423448)
Instead of attacking me, why don't you dissect what I've said and tell me why you disagree. I would love to hear your point of view without all the drama. Sincerely, tell me why what I've said is warped and not true. Don't attack me, I'm not attacking you, let's stick to the facts.


This is a great question to ponder?

Is it healthy for our children to impose unbiblical standards by which they will experience rejection from their peers? If so, tell me why?

Here is a little lesson.

if I said " you are an idiot" that would be an atack.

feeling sorry for your
A. ignorance (lack of learning or poor teaching)
B. willingness to express a bigoted view

is not a personal attack.

Brother, I cannot help you. I have read enough to know that you dont want help. your view of Holiness is what it is and to me it is worth little more than pity. You got here by your one means. you wont listen to me.

scotty 03-26-2008 01:29 PM

Re: Should standards be an issue when witnessing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 424262)
Here is a little lesson.

if I said " you are an idiot" that would be an atack.

feeling sorry for your
A. ignorance (lack of learning or poor teaching)
B. willingness to express a bigoted view

is not a personal attack.

Brother, I cannot help you. I have read enough to know that you dont want help. your view of Holiness is what it is and to me it is worth little more than pity. You got here by your one means. you wont listen to me.

:ursofunny:ursofunny

and I always thought I was too forward
:friend

Good post

deltaguitar 03-26-2008 02:16 PM

Re: Should standards be an issue when witnessing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 424262)
Here is a little lesson.

if I said " you are an idiot" that would be an atack.

feeling sorry for your
A. ignorance (lack of learning or poor teaching)
B. willingness to express a bigoted view

is not a personal attack.

Brother, I cannot help you. I have read enough to know that you dont want help. your view of Holiness is what it is and to me it is worth little more than pity. You got here by your one means. you wont listen to me.

What is funny is that staysharp's views line up with probably 99% of Christianity and church history yet he is the one that is wrong, ignorant, has had poor teaching, and is a bigot.

It is the view of the UPC that we are not saved by faith but by obedience and that they are the ones with the true understanding of the gospel.

Just go on youtube and type in United Pentecostal and you will find 27 videos of a debate between the UPC and Baptist. Our side didn't even know the Greek in Acts 2:28 or John 3:5 or the grammar.

I am sorry to say but WE are the ignorant ones and if we don't change we will have to give account for our errors.

:dunno


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