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Ron 06-04-2008 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 483787)
And the polarization continues.

Not much different in Canada.

Aquila 06-04-2008 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar (Post 483306)
Well, . . . Obama getting elected might push the republicans to get their act together. I highly doubt he can get elected though. There is just to much to overcome and the seniors like McCain.

True. In a sense, if the Republicans get elected they will continue down the path they're currently on. Loosing the Presidency could serve to help the Republicans make the changes they need to be respectable again.

Ferd 06-04-2008 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 483776)
Everyone recognizes the the White House was greviously off in their estimate of the time, money, lives, and resources that it was going to take to "win" this war. My point is that people who understand the world and that part of the world were saying what I'm saying from the beginning.

hmm..... by everyone I assume you mean the democrat party, the lib media and FRANCE?


Cuz if by everyone you include me, then your estimation is off a bit.

tstew 06-04-2008 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 483790)
pretty much everything youve said in this thread about the war in Iraq.

you offered your credentials. I offered mine.

it seems we have vastly different views here. your proxemity as a military brad, arent a trump card.

But I still repect you tstew.

Not trying to trump you bro. I respect your sacrifice...I just didn't care for the comment about me not respecting the valiant sacrifice of those serving.

tstew 06-04-2008 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 483796)
hmm..... by everyone I assume you mean the democrat party, the lib media and FRANCE?


Cuz if by everyone you include me, then your estimation is off a bit.

No, even the White House will tell you that. Remember they did have to offer projections before they got us into this thing...complete with estimated costs and exit strategy...

Ron 06-04-2008 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 483792)
Yeah, 'cause then there would be nothing to fight about. :boxing

Well, now that Obama earned the Dem nomination, I believe he is fair game to be scrutinized.

Hopefully it will have some facts.:hypercoffee

A_PoMo 06-04-2008 02:10 PM

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If we can survive 8 yrs of Clinton followed by 8 yrs of Bush we can survive Obama or McCain. All the drama is melodramatic.

Aquila 06-04-2008 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar (Post 483330)
I think one of the biggest issues is going to be healthcare. McCain is way more conservative than Hillary or Obama on this issue. Once you give people a "free" benefit the actual cost just explode. I would love to see some great minds get together and find a way to help our healthcare cost problems. The thought the government controlling my well being is scary.

I know the health care plans well. The Democrat's plan is the most realistic. McCain's will only lead to millions more of uninsured people...and that will drive up the cost of insurance for the rest of us who might be able to afford it if he becomes President.

Remember, the more uninsured people you have the higher the cost of health care will become.

StMark 06-04-2008 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 483786)
I'm going to assume that that part of the response was not directed towards me even though it was in response to a post about me. From what I've seen of your posts, you don't seem that type.


not you directly no, in general, yes. I'm not a republican. I'm a democrat, but they (the majority of the Dems) are soooo far to the right, they are equal to marxist communist! They're views are just outrageous! Now, Ferd and i will disagree, but I think SOMETHING has got to be done about America's health care. He thinks it's fine the way it is. Since the Republicans have been in office, it has almost taken out middle class under. gas prcies, housing, taxes are still high, but I don't think the Dems plan is going to work either.
But all the financial woes aside, there is something else at play here... I believe this is all a set up of the one world government

Ferd 06-04-2008 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 483798)
Not trying to trump you bro. I respect your sacrifice...I just didn't care for the comment about me not respecting the valiant sacrifice of those serving.

Maybe I was sloppy in how I said that. typing fast and mixing belief with a bit of sarcastic comedy....


I firmly believe that the democrats that picked up on that "mission accomplised" did infact disrespect the men and women who served during that phase of the war.

there is an old saying that if you repeat a lie enough, it becomes fact.

I cannot say that you mean disrespect. Ive posted with you enough to know better. I do believe that the line of thought, as it was devised as a political ploy against GWB was disrespectful and its disheartening when I see honest people who do respect our men and women in uniform repeat it.


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