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Re: This Is Why Non-Christians Hate Us

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 865608)

I love that part of the show! (TIC!) They're so funny, squinting into the camera so earnestly n stuff. :toofunny

BTW, I don't think they have an earpiece. Don't really need one. They can just make stuff up. "There's someone with a pain in their leg. The left leg, I think. Yes. Left leg. And right now, you are being healed." It's not that hard, really.

Here is what I think Timmy. They get letters for requests. So when you hear your request coming from God to them, it makes you feel they are legit for sure

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 865606)

Mich and for others, if you want to imply that about the bible we ask that you do that in the section we have strictly for theological debate.

LOL, I'm no debater. And I have no desire to debate anyone on that subject or really any theological ones for that matter. I'm a firm believer in "to each their own..."

I have never tried to convince anyone to share my objections, and I certainly have no agenda. And yet, respectfully, my disbelief is as much a part of my faith, as your belief is.

Which leaves us at an impasse, but one where I fully acknowledge that I am in the wrong. I do not question the rules of this forum, or the owners rights' to make them.

Which means it's time for me to hang up my hat.

In homage to timlan: Goodbye cruel World!

I wish you all the best :)

Re: This Is Why Non-Christians Hate Us

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 865540)

Struggle all you want. However, the conclusion that God's word is fallible is unacceptable on this forum. It is who we are, it is what we believe, it is a foundation we firmly stand upon. Personally, there are a plethora of things I don't understand, but I don't resort to errancy to explain them. There used to be a LOT more that I didn't understand, but now I do w/o having to resort to errancy. Continued study and trust in God answers most questions. The questions I don't have answered, I have chosen to not let them affect my walk. Like Job, "Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him." :D

But there are a host of Pentecostal theologians that resort to a more "liberal interpretation" of scripture. If we were in a college class, the idea of Job being an allegory, for example, is discussed as one of many potential ideas.

If you guys felt the topic was going astray, I respect your position to bring things back. I just want to be sure the issue of the Bible's inerrancy isn't so tightly guarded as to prevent discussion on those points. The Bible has lived above, and answered, its critics for ages. There are plenty of good literary and scholarly works out there addressing these issues. One of those you already mentioned.

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 865557)

Good post. There are other forums where people can debate with unbelievers about the existence of God and the infallibility of the Word. I'm glad this forum doesn't allow such fruitless and tiresome conversations to take over. :)

I don't think those discussions are fruitless. But if it's the goal of this forum to avoid those, I respect that.

I think apologetics are a great topic. There is plenty of evidence for every critic.

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 865559)

Every place has its guidelines. Different places have different guidelines. If I'm in your house I'll either respectfully follow yours or I won't go there. Most of us don't think it unreasonable to follow the limited guidelines we have here. No matter where any of us draw the "line" there will be those who don't like it. We can accept that.

Having been in leadership for decades, there are 2 important things I have learned and try my best to practice:
1. I can be a follower even when I don't agree and I'm not in charge.
2. As a leader, no matter what I say or do, someone is not going to like it.

I can accept that and either end of the line I'm on, it makes life much more palatable and frees me to focus on making a difference instead of attempting to straighten the deck chairs on the Titanic. :D

MOW, well said. I do agree that rules are required in keeping some sense of order.

My problem is this. This Forum is not consistent in enforcing them, and deep debates about Biblical accuracy and error are found on many threads. This has allowed numerous people to open up and share their concerns about historical evidence, interpretation, and authenticity of documents used to produce the Bible.

If this rule is to be respected, it should be insisted with a “No Tolerance” approach, which I don’t think is a good idea. I feel many are on here because of past spiritual abuse, so naturally they will question not only the one who abused, but the source of abuse, which some conceive as the Bible or some of its content.

I’ve come to learn, if what we have is real and genuine, we shouldn’t fear those who challenge its worth, as the final verdict will hold true. But once we squelch the feared question, the door slowly opens to those who demand unquestioned obedience.

Just my thoughts. God Bless.

Re: This Is Why Non-Christians Hate Us

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 865619)

Here is what I think Timmy. They get letters for requests. So when you hear your request coming from God to them, it makes you feel they are legit for sure

That's feasible, too.

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BTW, I suppose calling Job an allegory is not the same as saying the Bible isn't accurate, is made-up or is errant.

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Originally Posted by Michlow (Post 865623)

Wait! Don't go! ;)

The Debate Room isn't just genuine debates, 24x7. That's where the Objections thread is (and may have begun its life, not sure). It's just discussions, like here in the Hall, but with more freedom. (Sound about right, Prax?)

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey (Post 865624)

That doesn't make it errant though

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If you guys felt the topic was going astray, I respect your position to bring things back. I just want to be sure the issue of the Bible's inerrancy isn't so tightly guarded as to prevent discussion on those points. The Bible has lived above, and answered, its critics for ages. There are plenty of good literary and scholarly works out there addressing these issues. One of those you already mentioned.

As said before, if anyone wants to discuss those issues, we have a forum for that.

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Originally Posted by NotforSale (Post 865632)

This is what the POST REPORTING TOOL is for. You have to report it so we can know about it