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TRFrance 01-07-2008 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW (Post 350842)
I watched the entire press conference, I'm inclined to believe Clemens... just the way he's completely ticked off.

Umm.. don't forget Marion Jones was really ticked off too. And she even filed a lawsuit against her accuser, claiming defamation/slander etc. (Talk about chutzpah!)


...Turns out she lied.
(Her sentencing is on Friday, by the way)



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AmazingGrace 01-07-2008 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW (Post 350850)
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt... I never believed Vick. Never followed Marion.

Have you watched the press conference from today?

Oh I never for a min believed Vick either... nope nadda! Just stunk of lies from the beginning! My hubby kept saying no no no... I just felt it...

Mrs. LPW 01-07-2008 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 350852)
Umm.. don't forget Marion Jones was really ticked off too. And she even filed a lawsuit against her accuser, claiming defamation/slander etc. (Talk about chutzpah!)


...Turns out she lied.
(Her sentencing is on Friday, by the way)



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Hey, it's not like it's a salvation issue.. I just think he's innocent. :ouch

Mrs. LPW 01-07-2008 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AmazingGrace (Post 350853)
Oh I never for a min believed Vick either... nope nadda! Just stunk of lies from the beginning! My hubby kept saying no no no... I just felt it...

Oh yes, my husband was the same way. No no, he wouldn't do that.. no no...
He was the same way when that wrestler killed his wife and son... "oh no... the wife probably did it..."

OK HONEY.

Cindy 01-07-2008 09:30 PM

Yeah I tell ya TR that Marion Jones situation really got me. I really like track and field especially in the Olympics. She is nothing like the Joiners.

AmazingGrace 01-07-2008 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW (Post 350855)
Oh yes, my husband was the same way. No no, he wouldn't do that.. no no...
He was the same way when that wrestler killed his wife and son... "oh no... the wife probably did it..."

OK HONEY.


Yep... I know the routine LOL

TRFrance 01-07-2008 09:39 PM

Pardon me folks. Somebody help me here.

It seems that so many people who always believed Barry Bonds was guilty
...and always believed Michael Vick was guilty
... and always believed Marion Jones was guilty


... now think "we should give Roger Clemens the benefit of the doubt" (?!)

Why is that?



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Mrs. LPW 01-07-2008 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 350860)
Pardon me folks. Somebody help me here.

It seems that so many people who always believed Barry Bonds was guilty
...and always believed Michael Vick was guilty
... and always believed Marion Jones was guilty


... now think "we should give Roger Clemens the benefit of the doubt" (?!)

Why is that?



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You seem to be getting emotionally invested in this... you must be a man :toofunny (PULLEASE don't take that personally)

Seriously though... I am just judging the mans body language in his interviews... If he's lying I'd be surpised. Did you watch the press conference or hear the tape of his conversation with McNamee? You should give it a listen.

TRFrance 01-07-2008 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW (Post 350862)
You seem to be getting emotionally invested in this... you must be a man :toofunny (PULLEASE don't take that personally)

Seriously though... I am just judging the mans body language in his interviews... If he's lying I'd be surpised. Did you watch the press conference or hear the tape of his conversation with McNamee? You should give it a listen.

No, I'm not emotionally invested in this, but I tend to have a good sense of when some one is lying to me. I thought Clinton was lying. And Vick, and Marion, and McGuire, and Rafael Palmiero and Justin Gatlin. And it turns out they were all indeed lying. When something just doesnt smell right it doesn't smell right.

I just don't see anything different in the Roger Clemens case that should make me thing he's telling the truth.

Yes, I heard the 17 minute tape, and saw the news conference. Its on Espn.com. I didn't hear anything there that should make me think the other guy had lied. It seemed to me Clemens was being careful with his words, trying to see if he could get something on the tape he could use. I don't know what you heard or saw that made you feel he's innocent. As a matter of fact, he was asked point blank at least 12 times "what do you want me to do" ? "let me know what you want me to do?" etc If he was truly not guilty it seemed Clemes would have said "I want you to tell them I didnt use steroids". Plain and simple. The other guy sounded sorry that Clemens and his family are hurt by the situation. But he didn't seem apologetic in the sense that he feels he he had lied about Roger. And Roger never accused the guy of lying either. I was waiting for that... didn't hear it.

If you feel he's an innocent man, fine. Its not a life or death issue. If it turns out he's innocent, lets hope he's exonerated. But as far as athletes proclaiming "I'm innocent", I've seen this movie before.

Dozens of people were fingered by this guy in the Mitchell report. Clemens is the only one making a big stink over this. It doesn't make sense to me that the guy would tell the truth (under oath) about everybody else, but lie about just one person, Roger Clemens.

...just one man's opinion.


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Mrs. LPW 01-07-2008 10:58 PM

,,,and you express it so well


Psst, I couldn't care less if he's innocent or not, I just wanted to talk about something other than hair... don't tell.


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