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Re: What happens on your Watch?

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Originally Posted by scotty (Post 372187)

HUH?!?!?!?!?!?

If you have a preacher making the same point over and over then you have a problem, not me.

No if a preacher is just making the same point over and over and over using different scriptures and different ways it's NOT my problem unless I was the preacher doing it

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What are you reading some other thread and replying here?!? Your response to this thread is either a misunderstanding on your part or your thinking on this is extremely shallow.

lol...obviously I touched a nerve.

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If a pastor is an anointed man of God, a shepard to his people. If God lays a messege on the heart of a pastor should that pastor not deliver that messege? And if that messege happens to cut into our Shoney's time maybe we should tell God we will take it up with him tomm. (Now that is absurd)

It doesn't take two hours to give a message. If God tells me to tell you you need to pray more I don't need to spend an hour doing it. Usually preachers have one message or point they want to get across. They then might have several different verses and angles for getting that same point across...each angle gets the same point across. Maybe you just never noticed before,

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If God has a messege or blessing for you, wouldn't you want to wait for it?

You were talking about a preacher preaching a message and cutting it short or rather not dragging it out longer than he was....perhaps he felt he had GOTTEN that message across and made his point and had extra material in case he felt some of you guys just had not gotten it yet...maybe he felt what he preached so far was adequate for you guys

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And I never said anything about Peter preaching,

And I never said you said anything about Peter preaching. My point was that Peter did not spend hours preaching to get his point across....Get it? It might take longer or he might feel in that amount of time he got the message across.

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I made reference to them praying and waiting in the upper room just as Jesus asked them to tarry there. Maybe they should have told Jesus, "no you need to hurry up, we're not waiting for ever"

Your POINT here was about your Pastor preaching, looking at his watch and determining how much more material he can preach and you were complaining because you men were giving him his egocentric feedback via the "Amens" and were disappointed when that did not prompt him to spend more time preaching...LONGER...Maybe he did not feel it was necessary but felt it was vitally necessary now to have prayer or an alter call.....

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I really think you need to re-read the whole post again, cause I am afraid you missed the point it made by a couple of football fields.

Re: What happens on your Watch?

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Originally Posted by scotty (Post 372108)

Our pastor preached one of those sermons Sunday night that leaves your feet feeling like your shoes suddenly shrank a size or two at the toe end. In taking it all in, many of the men in the church humbly accepted our verbal repremands with the shouts of "Amen" , "That's Good" , "Yes" , or as Bro. Goss likes to say "Preach". At one point the pastor picked up his watch and at a glance stated he had a little more then he would close.

Nobody said a word.

Ever wonder if things would have been different had the disciples kept watch? Would there have been a gift(spiritual), a word of wisdom or insight had they stayed watch till Jesus work was done? What did the disciples miss out on?

The sermon continued and so continued his message to the church and so continued our approval of its content. Then he glanced at his watch and said he needed to finish up his statement and he would be done.

Nobody said a word.

What if the the children of Israel had of succeeded in "falling by the wayside" because they were not getting to the Promise Land as soon as they would have liked?

And the sermon continued and so continued the anointed words that were given to our sheperd as a blessing to us, the saints, from the God Almighty. Finally he picked his watch up again and apologized for going so long and that he would touch on the rest of it another time.

Nobody said a word.

Jesus did not say how long the coming of the Comforter would take. What if the disciples tired of keeping watch as they did in the forest? Would the disciples have missed out on the most wonderful gift to man? I believe God would have searched another group of believers in prayer. Or maybe the rocks would have called out to Him in worship.

When the pastor, the anointed man of God called to teach us the Word and guide us in the Light, cuts himself off because the "disciples" are looking weary or "heavy eyed", what did we miss? Was there something that was going to be said that would have changed our life? Did God have a spiritual exclamation mark somewhere that was never felt.

What about us, the men of the church. The vocal supporters of our leader. The ones who should be keeping watch.

I say from now on as the sermon starts to run a little long and the pastor has work left to do, maybe we should add a little to the outcry of "preach"....maybe our pastor should start hearing the men of his church speaking out "Keep Preaching" , "Carry on" , "Come on now".

Should our pastor even feel he has to worry with the time?

Is our blessing awaiting us at Shoneys?

Are we keeping watch as Jesus trys to work?

And if not, what are we missing?

:preach

I don't see any thing different that I did not get. Not a single verse you referenced was about someone preaching for a long long long LONG time.

Id be more concerned with how much TIME we spend in prayer and reaching lost souls than to get bent out of shape because the Pastor did not drag out his sermon as long as you had hoped to.

You ever teach a home bible study? Use a Chart like Search for Truth? I mean you can go on for hours if you wanted to....at some point you have to stop and move on to what comes next. It's NOT necessary to give every verse and every angle and every analogy he can come up with as long as the point was made.

When preachers preach they are not given verbatim words to speak from God and then they decide to just shut God down and not tell you everything.....like I said about the interpretation of tongues....they don't go on for hours. Why? Because it does not take that long to give a message.

God gives the man a message or the point he wants to get across. Maybe it's on the Love of God. Maybe it's on prayer....he can get his point or message done rather quickly...we need the Love of God....we need to pray more...what you missed that night was probably just the same message you had been hearing, not a new one...not a different message...not a new point, but the same one he had been making. Most preachers can say more or add more....in fact some preachers are famous for getting in a few more "words" at the end of the alter call....Everyone has something to say and something to add. The "Message" God wants the church to hear is not the entire "note book" of notes, verses, analogies, anecdotes and stories...those are only methods for getting the message across.

Re: What happens on your Watch?

You still miss the aurgument my friend, you can think your touching a nerve if you wish, but you are still a little too shallow for this one. You still keep rehashing points of the "flesh". And for some reason you reply as if I wasn't there? Haven't figured that one out.

I honestly don't know how else to explain what I was trying to say. The really wierd but interesting outcome of this post is that I copy and pasted it to another apostolic/pentecost forum and the replys there where totally opposite of the reactions here.

Hmm.

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I have always heard that 30 minutes was long enough for a good preacher and too long for a bad one.

:toofunny:toofunny

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scotty, I do agree that it is a shame when men of God feel so pressured by time constraints that they cannot finish sharing what God has given them. In times past, I don't think that would have been a problem, but in today's rushed and hurried world, it is a very real problem.

Some things can be said in a few minutes, and some things can't. If I were you, I would encourage your pastor with a hug and let him know that you appreciate him and want to hear everything he has to say from the Word.

Our generation is very selfish in many ways, and the fact that pastors feel the need to make excuses or apologize for going too long simply illustrates the point.

That said...I have sat through some very uncomfortable sermons, trying not to fall asleep, or keep my kids from fidgeting too much. IF a man is going to take advantage of folks' time--then he'd better be certain its from God's lips to our ears. Otherwise, he's going to lose his audience anyway, and they won't really hear him.

Re: What happens on your Watch?

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 372374)

Thank you sister, I'm happy you too see the point. I really thought people would have subtracted the simplistic fact that there are "some" out there who simply like to hear themselves talk and that I was refering to those who are speaking through anointing. How dumb that I would actually spend a thread defending "egocentric" pastors.

I would like you all to know that I think much more highly of you.

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the mind can only absorb what the seat can endure!!

you can say what you want about the way it "should be", but in the end you are still preaching to people, and people have attention spans. If you have ever spoken in front of a crowd, (especially teen-agers, which is what i am usually dealing with) you know that when you lose them you might as well stop talking.

You can go on all day saying it shouldn't be that way but as they say "it is what it is"

In my experience some of the most effective preachers are not the ones that talk all night, but the ones that get to the point and then let God do the work.

Re: What happens on your Watch?

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Originally Posted by scotty (Post 372205)

I think my next thread should be about the arogance of those who are so almighty in God they obviously don't need a pastor.

Scotty, I think it is great you see a need for anyone to Watch and pray. We sometimes have long sermons that don't seem to have a point until the very end. Moving sermons are the ones I remember the best.

:preach

Oh, and you summed some folks here to a t!

Re: What happens on your Watch?

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Originally Posted by scotty (Post 372383)

FYI, Scotty...I haven't got a clue what you're trying to say.

Maybe that's why Praxeas, in your opinion, is not "getting it." You might want to try to express your main point again in easy to understand terms....just a thought.

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And by the way Scotty, on that "other" board Bro Lowrance made essentially the same point that Praxeas did (granted in his own unique way of taking a thought and saying it in one or two sentences.... Ironic huh?). I didn't see you tell HIM that he "didn't get it!".