Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 100408)

While they shout grace they really believe works save folks. Grace is found in obeying the gospel message that cleanses the soul of man by His blood. Libs think being a 'good' person, being religious, being a family member, giving to charities, whatever saves. NOT the message preached and obeyed.
Their first argument is so and so did so and so and you think they are lost. So their works or being family saves them not the gospel.

Originally Posted by Thumper (Post 100476)

Great point elder,

So often we hear on forums like this that we are somehow judgemental because we do not accept as brethren contemporary music artists or authors like Swindol, Mcdowel or Colsen. The unspoken assumption being that because they don't do just like us we reject them. When the reality is that those who would have us accept them are really judging them not by an objective standard like the word of God but by something shallow like a song that gave you goose bumps or a book that may have been informative.

So all you judgers out there quit judging by YOUR OWN STANDARDS and start applying the Word of God to your judgments.

:)

Originally Posted by Thumper (Post 100476)

Great point elder,

So often we hear on forums like this that we are somehow judgemental because we do not accept as brethren contemporary music artists or authors like Swindol, Mcdowel or Colsen. The unspoken assumption being that because they don't do just like us we reject them. When the reality is that those who would have us accept them are really judging them not by an objective standard like the word of God but by something shallow like a song that gave you goose bumps or a book that may have been informative.

So all you judgers out there quit judging by YOUR OWN STANDARDS and start applying the Word of God to your judgments.

:)

Originally Posted by Thumper (Post 100476)

Great point elder,

So often we hear on forums like this that we are somehow judgemental because we do not accept as brethren contemporary music artists or authors like Swindol, Mcdowel or Colsen. The unspoken assumption being that because they don't do just like us we reject them. When the reality is that those who would have us accept them are really judging them not by an objective standard like the word of God but by something shallow like a song that gave you goose bumps or a book that may have been informative.

So all you judgers out there quit judging by YOUR OWN STANDARDS and start applying the Word of God to your judgments.

:)

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 100408)

While they shout grace they really believe works save folks. Grace is found in obeying the gospel message that cleanses the soul of man by His blood. Libs think being a 'good' person, being religious, being a family member, giving to charities, whatever saves. NOT the message preached and obeyed.
Their first argument is so and so did so and so and you think they are lost. So their works or being family saves them not the gospel.

Originally Posted by Sherri (Post 100669)

I know you consider me one of the "libs", but I sure don't believe any of that stuff you just spouted above. You cannot be saved unless you have a true relationship with Jesus Christ, as Lord and Master. You are not saved by anything that you do, including being a good person, giving to charities, etc. Who in the world believes that stuff???

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted (Post 100676)

I have meet lots of people who do.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 100408)

While they shout grace they really believe works save folks. Grace is found in obeying the gospel message that cleanses the soul of man by His blood. Libs think being a 'good' person, being religious, being a family member, giving to charities, whatever saves. NOT the message preached and obeyed.
Their first argument is so and so did so and so and you think they are lost. So their works or being family saves them not the gospel.