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Re: ACTS.2:38 Main Message Or Altar Call ?

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Originally Posted by El Predicador (Post 1035466)

It was an answer to a question.

What must I do to be saved?

Hesitate to call it an altar call.

They asked him.

He didn't count to three, or ask for a show of hands,

Or even tell scary stories about kids being run over

by chariots on the way home.

That was not the question asked in Acts 2:38

That question was actually asked in Acts 16:30-31 and here is the answer:
Acts 16
30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Re: ACTS.2:38 Main Message Or Altar Call ?

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Originally Posted by TGBTG (Post 1035535)

I am glad you posted this because I was going to correct our brother in Christ too.

Re: ACTS.2:38 Main Message Or Altar Call ?

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc (Post 1035526)

"For the time shall come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts they shall heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears." II Timothy 4:3

^These are those who are seeking teachers who teach an esier way..a partial birth salvation!

"Beware of false prophets, which come in to you sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves" Matthew 7:15

"But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption." II Peter 2:1

These are those who are constantly raising their voice against the New Birth message and a message of holiness and separation. The Word of God is not bashful concerning the nature or the end of those who contest truth. Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection was the message. Acts 2:38 was bringing it home, dropping it in our laps, and giving us the oppurtunity to respond and be saved. And yes! Continuing in the Apostles doctrine involved some teachings on holiness, outward apparel and according to I Cor. 11 hair fit in there too! not sure about the ears tho..

Note, the above response is similar to those I have received from “religious authority” when their identifiers have been challenged or debated. It is the identity of a religion rather than one rooted in the Gospel of Christ, hence the tone of condemnation and fear.

This post sounds like, “you are saved by correct doctrine rather than the work of Christ!” If the fact is that we ARE instead, saved by the work of Christ, it might be worth considering that we stand on equal ground (looking up to Him with whom we have to do). From my experience, it is usually our attitude about some set of correct formulae, superior religious teaching, or some other correctness which carries the tendency to elevate one group above another, or outright exclude others to boost their own self-worth.

Re: ACTS.2:38 Main Message Or Altar Call ?

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Originally Posted by TGBTG (Post 1035535)

"shalt be saved"!
didnt say that by believing on Jesus one is automatically saved. Rather that if the jailor would believe on the Lord he "shalt be saved". In other words believing was the foundation of his salvation and would lead him to the rest. It's impossible to obey the gospel without first believing.

Re: ACTS.2:38 Main Message Or Altar Call ?

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc (Post 1035580)

"shalt be saved"!
didnt say that by believing on Jesus one is automatically saved. Rather that if the jailor would believe on the Lord he "shalt be saved". In other words believing was the foundation of his salvation and would lead him to the rest. It's impossible to obey the gospel without first believing.

Okay, I don't why you posted the emboldened part. All I did was correct was El Predicador. He quoted Acts 2:38 wrong and I said what he quoted was actually in Acts 16:31. Moreover, the emboldened is your interpretation of that scripture. As for me, I'd rather just take the scripture without trying to add any "in other words..."

Also, you said believing on the Lord Jesus does not automatically you.

The jailer asked "What MUST I do to be saved"

Simple answer was "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved." It really simple. Let's not make it complicated.

If I may ask you, what is the gospel?

Re: ACTS.2:38 Main Message Or Altar Call ?

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc (Post 1035580)

Note, the above post is indicative of similar claims made by religious zealots who have not yet fully grasped the force of God’s grace. In other words, “it is not good enough to rely on the work and record of Jesus Christ, but you must perform certain rituals to seal the deal.”

The concept of grace however, causes one to understand that we cannot leverage salvation through performance (obedience if you want to call it that). Salvation is given freely to those who believe and endure. To believe the Gospel is to accept His record as enough. To obey is to reciprocate love towards the Savior, not earn salvation. Think love relationship, not religious initiation (John 14:23).

Re: ACTS.2:38 Main Message Or Altar Call ?

The Gopsel?
I Corinthians 15:2-4
By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures

Repentance-Death
Baptism-Burial
Resurrection-Holy Ghost infilling

Re: ACTS.2:38 Main Message Or Altar Call ?

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc (Post 1035605)

You did not answer the question. What is the gospel?

Re: ACTS.2:38 Main Message Or Altar Call ?

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc (Post 1035605)

I think you meant to have:
Repentance-Death
Baptism-Burial
Holy Ghost infilling-Resurrection

So according to you in Acts 10, this is what happened:
Cornelius died
Cornelius resurrected after he died
Cornelius was buried after he resurrected ??

Re: ACTS.2:38 Main Message Or Altar Call ?

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Originally Posted by TGBTG (Post 1035608)

Sure...in a spiritual sense. God didnt seem to have a problem with it that way.