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amen,amen

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I am grateful for your testimony but it reinforces what I have said for a long time about old time Oneness Pentecostalism and that its legalism appeals to those who have had lives without structure. Having a clearly defined list of do's and don'ts down to the length of your shirt sleeve is appealing to these folks and certainly much easier than learning Christian principles and implementing them.

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First of all I'll give you the benefit of not thinking you meant ill by the bolded. Second, I want to say that kclee4jc has my respect. I don't agree with her and I even think God showed me different than he did her but she has my respect. So what's my problem with your post? Well it implies that kleec4jc isn't learning Christian principles and implementing them because she wants something EASIER. I mean wow! That's a big accusation. But I don't think you meant it to imply that... at least I hope you didn't!

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Sadly? Its sad when people begin to emphasize a relationship with God rather than trying to meet requirements? It was the Pharisees that demanded requirements to be met , rules to be followed. It was Jesus that encouraged His disciples to enter and maintain a relationship with God. Without having a relationship with God, the keeping of requirements is null and void.

Nicodemus was a teacher, a ruler among the Jews. Yet, he had no clue as to what it meant to be born again. He kept all the right rules, submitted to the right standards, yet he could not grasp the concept of having a personal relationship with the Lord. Now, THAT is sad. And whats even more sad is the fact that in all churches, including many Oneness churches, there is gross negligence on the part of the ministry to teach what is and what is not a true relationship with God. And the keeping of rules and standards is not necessarily the same as having a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.

But I wil agree...there are requirements. There are standards. The Bible tells us what is required of us. But, we can cast out devils, and not truly know Him. We can give all we have to the poor, and still have nothing. We can keep every law, and still fall short. Thats where grace is found... in the relationship we have with God. Unless we abide in Him- have a relationship with Him- the best rule keeping we can do will end in a puff of smoke.

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When you are a conservative and you see soo many people leave the standards only to fall down that slippery slope and see them leave "truth" and "holiness" and sometimes even God... how else are you to describe that than as a great falling away?

I'll tell you what. You want to change a conservatives mind that it is not a great falling away then you are not going to do it by arguing that the falling away is good. You are going have to do it by showing that people who have "fallen away" still love and serve God.

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Be set free from the UPC..

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Be set free from yourself... ;)

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I'm a brother....
lol

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I am and have been..:highfive

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LOL! Sorry about that!