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Old Paths 03-14-2007 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop (Post 40272)
Elder - that is the norm among independents but it is not the norm in the UPC. When we traveled in the Ultra- Con churches - I always gave my tithe to the Pastor and most took them. It was almost and insult to the UPC guys and they really did not give me much of a chance as they would pay me at the curb at the airport! When I come and preach for you (I have shaved) I will give you the TITHE on what God blesses me with there! :thumbsup


:D

A step in the RIGHT direction.

revrandy 03-14-2007 11:56 AM
I remember when evangelizing with my parents some pastors who knew it was our birthdays would have us come to the front or even if it wasn't our birthdays... had us come up to the front and hold the offereing plates and took up a special offering just for us kids... It was embarrasing and great at the same time.. I still remember that...

It was a great blessing to us...as children... and we were pretty young when it happened.. my own father recipocated that many times when he was pastoring with other evangelists & missionary's kids...

Steve Epley 03-14-2007 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop (Post 40272)
Elder - that is the norm among independents but it is not the norm in the UPC. When we traveled in the Ultra- Con churches - I always gave my tithe to the Pastor and most took them. It was almost and insult to the UPC guys and they really did not give me much of a chance as they would pay me at the curb at the airport! When I come and preach for you (I have shaved) I will give you the TITHE on what God blesses me with there! :thumbsup
I will say this about the Atlanta Bishop he always gave the pastor tithes and a good offering when he left.

Joelel 03-14-2007 01:13 PM
Wate till you start getting thrown out of the churches or killed,then you know your doing something.All I can say is carnal churches.

Digging4Truth 03-14-2007 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Joelel (Post 40421)
Wate till you start getting thrown out of the churches or killed,then you know your doing something.All I can say is carnal churches.
That's your measure huh? :)

Felicity 03-14-2007 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Old Paths (Post 40223)
And vis versa.

Hee heeeeeeeeee
LOL! I'm very sure this is true. Some of them drive me nuts! :toofunny

This particular guy I'm thinking of though really was a doozie.

One out of many. Not too bad really. :thumbsup

Esther 03-14-2007 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 40241)
I have NEVER understood that take another offering when an evangelist is there?? Sunday mornings are missionary here and tithes go into the box. But there should be a minimum NOT a maximum. I would never dip into an evangelist's offering I ALWAYS add to it but never take away from it. I have taken special offerings for travel trailers and trucks for them.
Now the untouchable subject the evangelist's tithe. An evangelist should offer to pay the tithe at the church he is preaching in. Most will not take them but rather give it back for expenses or tell him to send it back to his pastor or missions. But not to offer is bad form. I NEVER take it. I accept it then generally give it to the evangelist's wife for spending money. But pastors in some area of the country do not feel kindly to an evangelist who does not offer to pay the tithe there. Just a thought.
I always thought the evangelist tithed to his home church. Isn't that who is still considered responsible for him???


Just asking, not throwing stones. :)

Scott Hutchinson 03-14-2007 01:28 PM
My Pastor Brother RK.Rivers always treats evangelists well and we are a very small assembly.
He says that it's only right to take care of Evangelists because it 's not godly to have a reputation of mistreating God's ministers.

BoredOutOfMyMind 03-14-2007 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Felicity (Post 40129)
Treat the evangelist well, I agree. But sometimes the evangelist drives the pastor's wife nuts. :D
My wife tells of the time they had an Evangelist visiting.

When he heard the dinner meal was "tuna casserole"- all of a sudden he "was fasting."

Same Evangelist comes downstairs dressed in sweats carrying a basketball. Said he wanted to go to the church next door and pray. He goes in the back door, out the front and joined a game in the schoolyard next block over.

He was not evangelizing long. :lol

Felicity 03-14-2007 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 40214)
Spoken like a lady who knows.:rooting It can happen my suggestion tell your hubby to be more choosy about his evangelist.:thumbsup
Yeah well ..... this guy started putting pressure on after just a few services to be able to stay for the 2nd week. We were still fairly young and hadn't had a lot of evangelists (or experience with them) so TB said okay. He could stay for the second week.

Bad idea! :woot LOL!

BoredOutOfMyMind 03-14-2007 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Felicity (Post 40452)
Yeah well ..... this guy started putting pressure on after just a few services to be able to stay for the 2nd week. We were still fairly young and hadn't had a lot of evangelists (or experience with them) so TB said okay. He could stay for the second week.

Bad idea! :woot LOL!
Read Post 49- should have served more Tuna Casserole!

:lol

Scott Hutchinson 03-14-2007 01:36 PM
Felicity this friday night at our assembly we have a young man from Canada preaching for us.Brother Jason Palmer.

Felicity 03-14-2007 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind (Post 40459)
Read Post 49- should have served more Tuna Casserole!

:lol
Part of the problem with this guy - part of the problem :D - is when he first arrived he stepped into my kitchen and immediately began to tell me what all he wouldn't be eating. Gave me a list!!

Tuna casserole wasn't on it though. :lol

Joelel 03-14-2007 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 40427)
That's your measure huh? :)
1Cor.3
[1] And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
[3] For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

BoredOutOfMyMind 03-14-2007 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Felicity (Post 40463)
Part of the problem with this guy - part of the problem :D - is when he first arrived he stepped into my kitchen and immediately began to tell me what all he wouldn't be eating. Gave me a list!!

Tuna casserole wasn't on it though. :lol
The greatest preachers I ever heard were those who also insisted on helping themselves in the kitchen.

I have seen a visiting preacher's wife march my Mother-in-law into a chair and do her dishes also. This was not an easy feat!

Sis Nona Freeman brought her own hot sauces, as she knew Yankees did not eat spicy foods.

Digging4Truth 03-14-2007 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Joelel (Post 40466)
1Cor.3
[1] And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
[3] For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
Indeed... you have provided proof that the church in Corinth was carnal.

You are aware that this is not an across the board indictment of every church that has existed from then until now? Right?

Felicity 03-14-2007 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind (Post 40469)
The greatest preachers I ever heard were those who also insisted on helping themselves in the kitchen.

I have seen a visiting preacher's wife march my Mother-in-law into a chair and do her dishes also. This was not an easy feat!

Sis Nona Freeman brought her own hot sauces, as she knew Yankees did not eat spicy foods.
I love it when they're in to helping.

We had a Mexican brother (missionary) who made supper for us one night. Mexican food - all cooked from scratched. Home-made mole' sauce.

Ole'!!! :D

Chan 03-14-2007 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 39213)
Evangelist are under a stress most pastors are not under. Their ministry at the church they are preaching in is under time restraints(ever how long the revival is). I have as long as God has me here to do what I feel is needed an evangelist is limited by time thus PRESSURE and STRESS. Every evangelist wants to do his best for the church he is preaching in.

His wife and family are for a better term 'church worn'. Very little free time and down time just to kick back. I was speaking to a young evangelist today he has maybe 4 days until his next revival I told him to unwind ONLY read his Bible as devotional and not to study for a message take his young wife and do what they want and enjoying doing. Just hang loose and relax. Pastors do NOT monopolize every spare moment of an evangelist's time while they are with you.

They are constantly with pastors hearing their problems. Give them space. If their wife is tired do not make them feel pressured in her attending every service. She is churched to death. If during a revival she would like to go visit her family so be it don't make them feel guilty. Do not place restrictions on the evangelist that you do not want on yourself. An evangelist can't keep up with every preacher feud in the country leave them out of it. Pastor the evangelist may not like your friend don't pressure him into preaching for him.

DO NOT EVER have an evangelist by to convert him to some deep revelation you have or standard you feel he needs tightening up in.

Pastor if YOU want to preach a revival then do NOT call an evangelist to come by. It is insulting to bring an evangelist in then preach before and after him. You might need a trip to the altar to check your ego!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then finally let him know you have appreciated his ministry and do not make the saints feel as though they have committed treason to compliment him.

I am taking the shield of faith and ducking!!!!!!!!!!!!:drawguns
Maybe if churches would stop using evangelists for preaching to the saints who have no business being in need of reviving they wouldn't be under so much stress. The job of the evangelist is to go out and evangelize, i.e. reach the lost - not to wake up sleeping Christians or resurrect spiritually dead ones.

Joelel 03-14-2007 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 40470)
Indeed... you have provided proof that the church in Corinth was carnal.

You are aware that this is not an across the board indictment of every church that has existed from then until now? Right?
Hi Digging,Well I been to very few church assemblies where people wasn't running around crying about what they don't like or who did something they don't like instead of just saying Thank Jesus.This is what I'm saying,people get upset about nothing and when you preach the word and step on a few toes out the door you go i never want to see you again.True preachers can't preach any more because of carnality in the Pastors or church.

Digging4Truth 03-14-2007 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Joelel (Post 40519)
Hi Digging,Well I been to very few church assemblies where people wasn't running around crying about what they don't like or who did something they don't like instead of just saying Thank Jesus.This is what I'm saying,people get upset about nothing and when you preach the word and step on a few toes out the door you go i never want to see you again.True preachers can't preach any more because of carnality in the Pastors or church.
Yes sir... I don't deny any postulation that the church is indeed carnal in this day and hour.

I made my comment because I have also seen people who don't feel like their are being preachers unless they are grinding the people to powder.

I certainly make no assertion that you are one of these... And I hope that my comments & questions are not taken as such.

Be blessed...

Joelel 03-14-2007 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Chan (Post 40517)
Maybe if churches would stop using evangelists for preaching to the saints who have no business being in need of reviving they wouldn't be under so much stress. The job of the evangelist is to go out and evangelize, i.e. reach the lost - not to wake up sleeping Christians or resurrect spiritually dead ones.
Hi,the word evangelist means preacher and here is his job.Some people don't know what their getting when they get a real evangelist.2 Tim.4:2] Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
[3] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
[4] And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
[5] But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry

Chan 03-14-2007 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Joelel (Post 40539)
Hi,the word evangelist means preacher and here is his job.Some people don't know what their getting when they get a real evangelist.2 Tim.4:2] Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
[3] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
[4] And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
[5] But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry
Go to the newly started thread on the subject and you will see the actual definitions of the Greek word used.

crakjak 03-14-2007 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 39213)
Evangelist are under a stress most pastors are not under. Their ministry at the church they are preaching in is under time restraints(ever how long the revival is). I have as long as God has me here to do what I feel is needed an evangelist is limited by time thus PRESSURE and STRESS. Every evangelist wants to do his best for the church he is preaching in.

His wife and family are for a better term 'church worn'. Very little free time and down time just to kick back. I was speaking to a young evangelist today he has maybe 4 days until his next revival I told him to unwind ONLY read his Bible as devotional and not to study for a message take his young wife and do what they want and enjoying doing. Just hang loose and relax. Pastors do NOT monopolize every spare moment of an evangelist's time while they are with you.

They are constantly with pastors hearing their problems. Give them space. If their wife is tired do not make them feel pressured in her attending every service. She is churched to death. If during a revival she would like to go visit her family so be it don't make them feel guilty. Do not place restrictions on the evangelist that you do not want on yourself. An evangelist can't keep up with every preacher feud in the country leave them out of it. Pastor the evangelist may not like your friend don't pressure him into preaching for him.

DO NOT EVER have an evangelist by to convert him to some deep revelation you have or standard you feel he needs tightening up in.

Pastor if YOU want to preach a revival then do NOT call an evangelist to come by. It is insulting to bring an evangelist in then preach before and after him. You might need a trip to the altar to check your ego!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then finally let him know you have appreciated his ministry and do not make the saints feel as though they have committed treason to compliment him.

I am taking the shield of faith and ducking!!!!!!!!!!!!:drawguns

No need to duck on my account, that is a most insightful post. Well done, Bro.

Joelel 03-14-2007 02:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chan (Post 40546)
Go to the newly started thread on the subject and you will see the actual definitions of the Greek word used.
1 Strong's Number: 2099 Greek: euangelistes
lit., "a messenger of good" (eu, "well," angelos, "a messenger"), denotes a "preacher of the Gospel," Act 21:8; Eph 4:11, which makes clear the distinctiveness of the function in the churches; 2Ti 4:5. Cp. euangelizo, "to proclaim glad tidings," and euangelion, "good news, gospel." Missionaries are "evangelists," as being essentially preachers of the Gospel.

Joelel 03-14-2007 02:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chan (Post 40546)
Go to the newly started thread on the subject and you will see the actual definitions of the Greek word used.
Hi,The main thing I was pointing out was the job of an evangelist (preacher).2 Tim.4:2] Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine

Chan 03-14-2007 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Joelel (Post 40595)
1 Strong's Number: 2099 Greek: euangelistes
lit., "a messenger of good" (eu, "well," angelos, "a messenger"), denotes a "preacher of the Gospel," Act 21:8; Eph 4:11, which makes clear the distinctiveness of the function in the churches; 2Ti 4:5. Cp. euangelizo, "to proclaim glad tidings," and euangelion, "good news, gospel." Missionaries are "evangelists," as being essentially preachers of the Gospel.
Yes, a preacher of the gospel, this is not the work that evangelists are often doing in churches today - this notion of preaching "revival" to a bunch of Christians who have no business being asleep or dead.

Rhymis 03-14-2007 02:39 PM
What next? Now we have a Chan speaking Greek! :bliss

ThePastorsCoach 03-14-2007 03:49 PM
I apologize
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Felicity (Post 40463)
Part of the problem with this guy - part of the problem :D - is when he first arrived he stepped into my kitchen and immediately began to tell me what all he wouldn't be eating. Gave me a list!!

Tuna casserole wasn't on it though. :lol
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I hope it was not ME! If I am asked - I do tell them I do not eat pork and hmmmmmmmmmmm I HATE Tuna casserole! LOL
Why do all the Yankee's fix all those casseroles anyway - it's like they just throw all the leftovers in a pan and bake it and call it a casserole!

I LOVE THE SOUTH! Fried Chicken, REAL Mashed Potatoes, Corn Bread, Butter Beans, REAL BUTTER, Hellman's mayonnaise (not Miracle Whip - hypocrite mayo) CATHEAD BISCUITS!

If it WAS me - I apologize!

Felicity 03-14-2007 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop (Post 40761)
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I hope it was not ME! If I am asked - I do tell them I do not eat pork and hmmmmmmmmmmm I HATE Tuna casserole! LOL
Why do all the Yankee's fix all those casseroles anyway - it's like they just throw all the leftovers in a pan and bake it and call it a casserole!

I LOVE THE SOUTH! Fried Chicken, REAL Mashed Potatoes, Corn Bread, Butter Beans, REAL BUTTER, Hellman's mayonnaise (not Miracle Whip - hypocrite mayo) CATHEAD BISCUITS!

If it WAS me - I apologize!
LOL!

Southerners fix casseroles --- lots of them too. I ate plenty of stuff that was all mixed together and baked in a single dish while we travelled south of the Mason Dixon. So there! :toofunny

Felicity 03-14-2007 11:45 PM
Thank God for evangelists is all I can say.

I'm just awfully awfully glad and thankful I'm not married to one! :thumbsup

ThePastorsCoach 03-15-2007 12:11 PM
I am a true Southerner. My Great Grandmother, Grandmother, Mother and wife have NEVER fixed a casserole! My wife WAS a Yankee - she was born and raised in Dayton, OH - but I converted her to the Southern way of living on September 20, 1980! We traveled much in the north Evangelizing and ate plenty of those casseroles with little English peas and strange things in them. We also ate "Gu-losh" What in the world is that? Sounds like something horrible from Nazi Germany days! LOL :slaphappy

Oh yeah - Pray for me - my wife has been a southerner now for 27 years but still cannot make Southern Fried Chicken or make CAT HEAD BISCUITS!!!!!!!!!!

Steve Epley 03-18-2007 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop (Post 41813)
I am a true Southerner. My Great Grandmother, Grandmother, Mother and wife have NEVER fixed a casserole! My wife WAS a Yankee - she was born and raised in Dayton, OH - but I converted her to the Southern way of living on September 20, 1980! We traveled much in the north Evangelizing and ate plenty of those casseroles with little English peas and strange things in them. We also ate "Gu-losh" What in the world is that? Sounds like something horrible from Nazi Germany days! LOL :slaphappy

Oh yeah - Pray for me - my wife has been a southerner now for 27 years but still cannot make Southern Fried Chicken or make CAT HEAD BISCUITS!!!!!!!!!!
My wife can fry chicken both southern and cajun styles that would make Sanders and Emeril cry. And those cathead biscuits and fried cron bread fritters. Call the law.
And REAL chicken gravy. We are Gumbo and Collard Green missionaries to this Hoosierland.:happydance

RevDWW 03-18-2007 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 44094)
My wife can fry chicken both southern and cajun styles that would make Sanders and Emeril cry. And those cathead biscuits and fried cron bread fritters. Call the law.
And REAL chicken gravy. We are Gumbo and Collard Green missionaries to this Hoosierland.:happydance
STOP!!!! You're making my mouth water!!!!:friend

Steve Epley 03-18-2007 11:21 PM
Blackeye peas and okra cooked together all those Southern delights. Fried everything and anything. Mexican corn bread. Red beans and rice. :happydance :happydance

ThePastorsCoach 03-18-2007 11:37 PM
WHEWWWWWWWWWWWW SOMETHING WE CAN AGREE ON!!!!!!!!!!
I love you Steve Epley! Fried Everything and Anything! YES!

Someone was telling me last week - You are way too big and it is not HEALTHY! I said - I have a great friend that walked 5 miles a day, ate hardly nothing, always working out, always on some kind of diet, thin and looking good - Now has bad knees and ankles from walking so much - two operations on insides - spleen, and other things cause HE AIN'T GETTIN NO FRIED FOOD!

I am FAT and HEALTHY!!!!!! Dr. Atkins died, some woman that had not any fat on her body - living day by day running up and down the road in those tight running outfits - she fell over dead in her 40's. The guy that invented that POWER BAR - Fell over dead, Pastor Jack Wilson pastored thousands in Detroit - major athlete - power lifter - nutritionist - NO FAT DIET - got out of his private jet and fell DEAD on the tarmac in his 40's.

Pass the Mashed Taters, Fried Okra, Mexican Corn Bread, Fried Peach Pie, Varsity Chili Dog, Onion Rings, Fried Catfish with Lots of Hush Puppies, Fried Shrimp, Fried Eggs and FRIED EVERYTHING!

Steve Epley 03-18-2007 11:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop (Post 44584)
WHEWWWWWWWWWWWW SOMETHING WE CAN AGREE ON!!!!!!!!!!
I love you Steve Epley! Fried Everything and Anything! YES!

Someone was telling me last week - You are way too big and it is not HEALTHY! I said - I have a great friend that walked 5 miles a day, ate hardly nothing, always working out, always on some kind of diet, thin and looking good - Now has bad knees and ankles from walking so much - two operations on insides - spleen, and other things cause HE AIN'T GETTIN NO FRIED FOOD!

I am FAT and HEALTHY!!!!!! Dr. Atkins died, some woman that had not any fat on her body - living day by day running up and down the road in those tight running outfits - she fell over dead in her 40's. The guy that invented that POWER BAR - Fell over dead, Pastor Jack Wilson pastored thousands in Detroit - major athlete - power lifter - nutritionist - NO FAT DIET - got out of his private jet and fell DEAD on the tarmac in his 40's.

Pass the Mashed Taters, Fried Okra, Mexican Corn Bread, Fried Peach Pie, Varsity Chili Dog, Onion Rings, Fried Catfish with Lots of Hush Puppies, Fried Shrimp, Fried Eggs and FRIED EVERYTHING!
Lord have mercy is that man preaching or what??????????????? Cows eat grass and I eat the cows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So I am getting me herbs. I like my herbs battered and fried. :happydance

ThePastorsCoach 03-19-2007 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 44614)
Lord have mercy is that man preaching or what??????????????? Cows eat grass and I eat the cows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So I am getting me herbs. I like my herbs battered and fried. :happydance
MY GOD! I FELT SOMETHING ON THAT - SOMEBODY RUN FOR ME! :happydance :happydance :happydance


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