Originally Posted by n david (Post 793472)

Should I have stated a more politically correct, Rest in Peace? I could have been more crass with the twist on RIP - Rot in Pieces, but I didn't. Instead I bid his departure as good riddance.

I'd rejoice at the news of TK's repentence, baptism in the name of Jesus and being filled with the spirit ... regardless of his past. Sadly, I don't believe that happened. He's in the hands of his maker.

So again, good riddance to a drunken, date-killing, adulterous, liberal senator ... I shant shed a tear. Pity to those whom my lack of tears offends.

:2cents

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 793445)

I dont morn his passing at all. My only prayer for the Kennedy clan is that they repent for the MANY sins and find Christ.

Teddy is now in the hands of his God and I for one would not want to be in Gods hands with Ted's record.

I wont be crass and make jokes. But in all honesty this man was a great mover in the senate for America's LOSS in Vietnam and he revivied that role when we joined the battle in Iraq. As a general rule Ted Kennedy belived that defeat and surrender was the path to victory in war. Thank God he was not in the senate in 1940.

Ted Kennedy played a primary role in creating the healtcare system that has currently failed us. in the 1970's he worked tirelessly to change healthcare and how it works. He succeeded and we now live with the mess.

Ted Kennedy did great harm to America as a politician. We all know what kind of man he was. in so many respects his name is a byword and a bloody joke.

The truely aweful part of all this is that some think he was a great man. That saddens me.

Originally Posted by MikeinAR (Post 793854)

Ted Kennedy was a morally flawed individual on a lot of things. He was a womanizer, an abortion right supporter, dishonest at times, and much much more I'm sure. To those sins, like all others, Ted will answer to a Holy God.


With all of the bad things, he also stood up for some very worthy causes for average people who didn't have a voice in the U.S. Senate. He played a major role in the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 which paved the way for people, regardless of economic status or race, to cast their ballot. In 1990, he helped pass the American with Disablities Act and then Family Medical Leave in 1993.

To be fair his legislative record, like most, contains both good and bad.

Originally Posted by coadie (Post 793306)

Bootlegging booze is giving?

This was first:



Politization of Kennedy's death
August 26, 2009 - 07:03 ET by ThisnThat
And who was first to make his death political? Pelosi, of course. She immediately linked his death to "passing health care reform this year".

Originally Posted by MikeinAR (Post 793854)

Ted Kennedy was a morally flawed individual on a lot of things. He was a womanizer, an abortion right supporter, dishonest at times, and much much more I'm sure. To those sins, like all others, Ted will answer to a Holy God.


With all of the bad things, he also stood up for some very worthy causes for average people who didn't have a voice in the U.S. Senate. He played a major role in the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 which paved the way for people, regardless of economic status or race, to cast their ballot. In 1990, he helped pass the American with Disablities Act and then Family Medical Leave in 1993.

To be fair his legislative record, like most, contains both good and bad.

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 793953)

It was good that some Democrats finally gave in to the Republican minority and passed the Act. And that Johnson who had opposed it when it came up as a Senator signed it into law as President.

Originally Posted by commonsense (Post 793852)

Would he have been elected if just a local lawyer interested in politics?

Originally Posted by MikeinAR (Post 793854)

Ted Kennedy was a morally flawed individual on a lot of things. He was a womanizer, an abortion right supporter, dishonest at times, and much much more I'm sure. To those sins, like all others, Ted will answer to a Holy God.


With all of the bad things, he also stood up for some very worthy causes for average people who didn't have a voice in the U.S. Senate. He played a major role in the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 which paved the way for people, regardless of economic status or race, to cast their ballot. In 1990, he helped pass the American with Disablities Act and then Family Medical Leave in 1993.

To be fair his legislative record, like most, contains both good and bad.

Originally Posted by Esther (Post 793296)

I think he was the worst senator we ever had in the American congress.

Originally Posted by RunningOnFaith (Post 794106)

Barry Goldwater, the GOP nominee for President opposed the Civil Rights act- he is generally considered to be the forerunner of Ronald Reagan and the modern conservative movement. Most of the Democratic opposition to the act came from the segregated south, many of these folks subsequently became Republicans after its passage (e.g. Strom Thurmond). LBJ predicted that he had given the Republicans the South for the next hundred years for his work on Civil Rights-- his prophecy has proved to be largely right.

There where still many moderate Republicans in those days of the Eastern Liberal, Nelson Rockefeller variety and Midwesterners like Everett Dirksen and Gerald Ford. I doubt very seriously they would feel at home with the culture warriors, birthers and other fringe elements that consititute a large segment of the current Republican party.

Originally Posted by RunningOnFaith (Post 794108)

Thanks for this post. I remember when Richard Nixon died, President Clinton speaking at his funeral said that he hoped that liberals wouldn't focus exclusively on the negative aspects of Nixon's career but on his many accomplishments. As far as I'm concerned Nixon was a very competent and often brilliant leader who had some serious complexes. Kennedy should be afforded the same sort of balanced evaluation.

Originally Posted by MikeinAR (Post 793854)

Ted Kennedy was a morally flawed individual on a lot of things. He was a womanizer, an abortion right supporter, dishonest at times, and much much more I'm sure. To those sins, like all others, Ted will answer to a Holy God.


With all of the bad things, he also stood up for some very worthy causes for average people who didn't have a voice in the U.S. Senate. He played a major role in the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 which paved the way for people, regardless of economic status or race, to cast their ballot. In 1990, he helped pass the American with Disablities Act and then Family Medical Leave in 1993.

To be fair his legislative record, like most, contains both good and bad.

Originally Posted by RunningOnFaith (Post 794108)

Thanks for this post. I remember when Richard Nixon died, President Clinton speaking at his funeral said that he hoped that liberals wouldn't focus exclusively on the negative aspects of Nixon's career but on his many accomplishments. As far as I'm concerned Nixon was a very competent and often brilliant leader who had some serious complexes. Kennedy should be afforded the same sort of balanced evaluation.

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 795346)

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 794138)

I was thinking about some of this yesterday while on my way home from work. I was listening to the radio and the guys on there were talking about the "good and bad" of the man. They talked about meals on wheels and ADA and such.

Then I remembered that Hezbullah provides healthcare and food to tens of thousands of poverty stricken people in places like the Gaza strip and Lebonon.

Mike, are you willing to balance the fact that they are terrorists who dont have a problem in the world killing women and children?

Originally Posted by MikeinAR (Post 796282)

Ferd, with respect, that's foolishness. Too compare Ted Kennedy with Hezbullah terrorists is absurd. That type of wild rhetoric of yours really diminishes any credible or valid points you can make on issues.

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 794144)

ADA? really? Take a look at the state of Healthcare in this country. by and large Mr. Kennedy led the charge to make it the mess that it is today.

So let me get this straight. You're claiming that the healtcare mess is Ted Kennedy's fault when, in fact, Ted Kennedy's been fighting the current system of access to healtchare for over two decades? It's not Ted's fault that 50 million people are uninsured in this country.

Mr. Kennedy was a leader in insuring America LOST in vietnam and he tried the same junk with Iraq. Untold American service men have DIED because of the "moral support" that man has given our enemies!

The reason we lost in Vietnam is because it was a flawed military strategy from the begining and a poor decision to ever start that war, just like Iraq. Ferd, you're the typical hawk, who is wiling to sacrfice thousands of American lives for a mistaken ideology just to "save face".

I'll give your points for a creative stretch in blaming Ted Kennedy for the shame of Vietnam. What other proposterous assumptions can you make to blame things on Ted Kennedy? WWII? Korea? The space shuttle accidents?

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 796289)

I feel you bro. getting the ADA passed and getting Meals for Wheels up and running clearly makes up for killing a girl, siding with the soviets, keeping an hispanic off the bench because a republican nominated him, making waitress sammiches.....against the waitresses will....with Chris Dodd.... Lying on the senate floor to keep a judge off the bench he didnt like, insuring a loss in Vietnam, trying to insure the same in Iraq.....

Originally Posted by MikeinAR (Post 796296)

Certainly. That all adds up to terrorists beheadings and bombings. I see your point...or not even the hint of logic. :ursofunny

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 796289)

I feel you bro. getting the ADA passed and getting Meals for Wheels up and running clearly makes up for killing a girl, siding with the soviets, keeping an hispanic off the bench because a republican nominated him, making waitress sammiches.....against the waitresses will....with Chris Dodd.... Lying on the senate floor to keep a judge off the bench he didnt like, insuring a loss in Vietnam, trying to insure the same in Iraq.....

Yea I can go on and sure. I get it, nothing at all like Hezbullah who feeds tens of thousands and provides healthcare for poor and abused muslims in the middle east...yet likes to blow up the occasional resturant in Israel.

nothing like that at all.... Because Ted passed the Americans with Disability Act!

snort.

Originally Posted by MikeinAR (Post 796296)

Certainly. That all adds up to terrorists beheadings and bombings. I see your point...or not even the hint of logic. :ursofunny

Originally Posted by n david (Post 793472)

Should I have stated a more politically correct, Rest in Peace? I could have been more crass with the twist on RIP - Rot in Pieces, but I didn't. Instead I bid his departure as good riddance.

I'd rejoice at the news of TK's repentence, baptism in the name of Jesus and being filled with the spirit ... regardless of his past. Sadly, I don't believe that happened. He's in the hands of his maker.

So again, good riddance to a drunken, date-killing, adulterous, liberal senator ... I shant shed a tear. Pity to those whom my lack of tears offends.

:2cents

Originally Posted by RevDWW (Post 796332)

The way some folks have extolled his virtue I would have thought he be up and around by now..........:ursofunny

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 796234)

I love Uncle Jay!

Originally Posted by MikeinAR (Post 796293)

:foottap