Sounds to me like your husband is a smart man.

Thad, do you think mentioning a name like this and lumping the name with a vague reference to "he believes in those sort of different doctrines" is appropriate?

Is it factual to include a reference that if left unclarified would associate the items being discussed "Divine Flesh" and the "Adam" doctrine with the person you named?

The Apostolic World Christian Fellowship ... is exactly what it is ... Apostolic .... JS, KP are as PAJC as you can get ... neither are divine flesh ... or believe in Adam's doctrine ...

This thread is a mischaracterization of a fellowship that contains millions of Apostolic believers w/ a variety of views ... some are sabbatarians ... some believe in extrabiblical outward dress standards ... its a broad group ...

JS went off the deep end. Every time I hear him preach, it's money, money, money. Prosperity, prosperity, prosperity.

He should hook up with Creflo Dollar and the other prosperity doctrine preachers.

I have to respectfully disagree ... He is an associate pastor at Church of Champions ... and his preaching/teaching has been uplifting, deep and focused on Christian living and the prophetic ...

:donuts
Yep
They Were Teenagers in '53
{ I wern't soooo old myself back then}
:girlnails
Ron Newstrand later married Doris Dyer,
Hugh Rose married Nila,
Steve Barley married Nell
Dale Dixon married Betty
:telephone

LOL
I wern't soooo old myself way back then -:2cents
I{ guess you could have called me a Younger Elder}


Bishop1
:beatdeadhorse

I've heard my share of prosperity teaching in the org ... when I was part of it also .... it's a pervasive problem throughout the American Christian church.

Then his messages @ CoC are different from one's on Acts29tv. Thus far on Acts29tv all I've heard is money.

I haven't watched it for the past couple weeks though, cause I got sick of it the last time I watched him preach. I logged on and broke in on the message already in progress and he's in the middle of a shoutin' time and yells something about the last time he preached that message a man got $85,000 cash the next week. He kept talking about people getting money after hearing the message and was praying over financial documents. :vomit

Whether in UPC or out of UPC, prosperity doctrine is wrong and harms saints more than helps them.

You get these jokers preaching prosperity for saints, and how you should be living high. What happens when a trial comes? What happens when hard times come? These prosperity-fed saints flip out! They can't handle it because they've been fed this junk food doctrine that says life's a bunch of blessings if you live for Jesus!

ROTF, LOL

Sista Murphy :


My Wife Has Given Me A Response For Your Husband -

Per the 1st Lady:
"My Husband Is NOT A GRAVE DIGGER,
IF THE DEAD WOULD STAY BURIED
Instead of cropping up everywhere
THEN
He Wouldn't Have To Be Crying Out

DEAD MAN WALKING !

If they would stay buried
instead of their continued preaching
then others wouldn't have to be WARNED !


Bishop1
:beatdeadhorse


{as far as I know "All of the former wives are still ALIVE"}

Suber - off the deep end in my opinion.

Phillips - I know (1st hand) that Ken & Wanda Phillips met recently with one of our UPC ministers and Wanda Phillips told him: "[name deleted], tell the UPC not to be stupid and do what we did! (referring to going onto television). We spent all that money, and didn't win anybody...I'll tell you those TV producers are just a bunch of crooks out to get your money...I wish we'd never did it."

Too bad they chose to be a test case, what happended to their church - once a great revival church - as a result is sad.

look, if you are trying to make out to be the Bad Guy in this you are wrong.
i didn't state anything as matter of fact. if you re-read it, it was more a Question then a blanket statment. I don't keep up with exactly what each of these men believe so forgive me for not being perfect as you are

You gotta love third hand stories ... this is the same KP that has just entered in a joint venture ... and is excited about Acts 29 TV.

As for Suber 'going off the deep end' ... this is what happens when someone leaves the org ... but there is nothing to demonize him w/ ... so of course ... he has to be out of his mind ...

The vilification ... of former org ministers ..... is nothing new.

I find this exraordinarily hard to believe. I was a member of KP's church for 16 years.

This sounds like either an outright untruth or one of those famous situations where things get twisted around from what was originally said.

I can't tell you the number of times during the 16+ years I was in Austin that I would go to another state to visit UPC friends or relatives and here the wildest things about my church and pastor. None of which were true.

Has KP had disappointments in his efforts in the TV ministry? Aabsolutely!
Have they won people to the Lord and made an impact on the world? Absolutely!!
Was it to the degree that he had hoped for? Absolutely not.

Your supposed quote attritubted to WP sounds like all of the other stuff I have heard for years about how he supposedly says he wants to go back to legalism, yada, yada, yada. I have heard that for 15 years now and if it is true why hasn't he preached Promiseland back to bundage?

CC,

This is the same KP ... I heard inspire a group of ministers about the New Church Order in December ....

He's not looking back ... but forward.

Since when is holiness bondage? Oh, since those who have left it have decided to become bound to the things of the world. OK, I get it now.

He didn't say "bondage"...he said "BUNdage"...read man, read!

I ain't touching Barley with a 10 foot pole. I have posted on here the reasoning I had why I left his fellowship.

What in the world is bundage?

NOW THATS FUNNY!!!!!!!!:hypercoffee

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Haven't seen him since the lights went out in a certain church in Houston.

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PHILLIPS ?

Haven't seen him since "Pop" Phillips' funeral.

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BARLEY ?

Haven't seen him since Kenneth Morgan gave up his Charismatic church where he attended.

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SMITH?

Smith who?

ROWE ?

Glenn or Worthy? One of those boys found out the error of the Adam Doctrine not too long ago. I forget which one but he went on to judgment a couple of years ago. He's since learned the error of that doctrine.

I Found Them !

Not hard to do.

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They All Will Be In Evansville May 2nd Along With

A little Adam doctrine, a little divine flesh and a little Once Saved thrown in with a little Acts 2:38 along the way makes for an "apostolic" dietary hodge podge that I would just as soon stay away from.

Like so many other nutball conferences that go on, I wont be seen there either.

But, take some pictures and post them here, if you will.


Bishop1? Is that anything like Mobile1? lol

Pente...costal or Plenty...lostal....:2cents

Leave it the UC preachers to bash fellow ministers.

Leave it to the liberals to have no concern about lying and false doctrines.

Why don't you call a spade a spade ... this thread has resulted IN PREACHER BASHING ... SADLY ENOUGH ...

THIS FORUM IS SUPPOSED TO BE A PLACE WHERE IT IS NOT TOLERATED ... AND WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT 9/10 ITS APOSTOLIC PREACHERS WHO ENGAGE IN IT UNDER THE GUISE OF 'CONCERN' ....

wonder how many upcers will be there?? lol

N- I think that you are partly wrong in this thing. You know I have listened to my fair share of Acts29tv. I have heard every message on there by JS and others. I think to say he preaching prosperity doctrine is incorrect. Preach about and on money is not wrong, but preaching God will give us money because we need it, He owes us, we love Him so he gives in return, can be. JS is not preaching any of the latter except to fund the Gospel across the world.

Sure he has preached about receiving financial blessings. Infact, I believe I told you once that God spoke to me and told me that He is going to create millionaires this year, not because of Him blessing them only, but to fund the outreach of the lost world wide. What JS was doing is nothing more than helping people pray for financial blessings. There is a thin line here though. JS could go too far here but I am not sure he will. There are people out there that preach "give money to get money." This partly right and wrong. God will bless us for blessing His kindgdom. I think that is what JS is really talking about. But the way you can tell that he has not made a doctrine out of it is because he still at almost every service preaches that you must be born again. Not born again by money, but by the spirit!

JT! We baptized a guy yesterday in the afternoon. One of the teams met a guy who was hungry and wanted an experience with God. They took him back to the church and baptized him! It was awesome!

I was hoping you'd respond to the post! LoL You and I disagree on this, I know. I'm sorry, but when a minister gets up and proclaims that so-and-so received a cash blessing after hearing his message; and continues giving examples of people who received cash blessings after hearing his message; and then praying over financial documents . . . it's a little much for me, bro.

Stay poor then..LOL! I think that his point was to increase faith. I know there is a pastor on here I heard preach and they told some stories about people receiving money as a blessing. That person never told us that so we would give money or think that we would recieve money. He did that so we would increase our faith to know God can and will bless us. Yeah, we may disagree, but you are wrong and that is fine.:winkgrin

I can tell you I hate the prosperity doctrine preachers, but I do not think that JS has gotten there yet, but that can certainly happen. Be vigilant, watch and be careful that you are passed over by the money spirit. LOL

Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
3 John verse 2
(or as one preacher from a southern state called it "three eye John")

When is the AWCF conference??????????????????

may 2-4

THis week??????????? Where????????????????

And who is preaching when?????????????

I just might go a night if there is someone I want to hear.

I went once in the early 80's might be time for another visit. It is like Brilcreme
"a little dab will do you."

If you got www.awcf.org it has all the info, but I think it is in Evansville

Thank you I may go one night and see the circus!:bdayparty :oops :tease

I would have liked to have gone to hear Kenneth Phillips preach. Bad timing for me though even though Evansville is only a few hours away.

I must say, I am surprised that he would be fellowshipping with the Divine Flesh advocates. I'm just wondering, is there any donctrine that is off limits? just curious. I didn't understand the seriousness of it till my brother explained it to recently. I didn't know it was that bad. no wonder UPC had to make a decision

I don't know the story there. I do know that he is so focused on Acts 2:38, Oneness, and especially Jesus name water baptism that he may not have thoroughly gotten into the DFD.

Or perhaps he has and believes it. Or perhaps he doesn't see it as something big enough to be a point of fellowship.

Frankly I have not studied it enough to know if it is for me or not. As I have stated in the past I don't think ou have to have a perfect understanding of the godhead and the nature of Christ to be a Christian and to be saved.

Frankly I think none of us understand it all fully.

I don't pin this on you personally CC, I'm just wondering how some of the ones who don't believe in it feel like it is not something that we should part ways on.

basically, what I was told is it's an old doctrine called gnostism(sp?).
Bro Seagraves wrote a booklet and broke it down showing how it is false.
The Bible says that jesus was born of a Woman. somehow they do not believe this scripture. They believe something supernatural happend and he was given a special Flesh from heaven. They do not believe he was truely of Mary.

There is one thing that we all MUST believe and that is that Jesus was 100% flesh and 100 God%.

I john 4-1 3 says if you don't believe he has come in the flesh you'll die in your sins.

I do not know if this is what they believe or not. I do not trust many UPC folks to present others views accurately after seeing them demonize trinitarians as tritheistic over the years and "believeing another God" nonsense.

I have heard KP preach for many years and I can assure you he believes in the virgin birth of Jesus so I have to think your description of what the DFD people believe is not accurately depicted here. Not your fault, I just don't think you probably have had time to study it out just as I have not.