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I know that something wonderful from God is coming from a direct message from God many moons ago as well as times that I would feel the presence of God when I read something or thought something in regards to him moving in a powerful way.

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Amen! I feel like I am standing here, tapping my foot, ready to run - just any minute!

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I think I have the whole story on a flash drive somewhere. I'll look for it.

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Apprehended... Please don't be offended, but did you really see those things as bolded above, with your own eyes in the magnitude that you portrayed? Not doubting that God can and does this but I've been around for 67 years and I've never "seen" with my owns eyes what it seems you are saying you've seen.

Can you name the incidents? Or have we heard this so much from the pulpits that in our mind we think it has happened as they say?

Again, don't be offended or mad with me, I just want to understand better that you in fact can itemize one after the other the occasions of people walking in and disease falling off; folks getting up out of wheel chairs at random and walking off.

Been Thinkin

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Ditto! :thumbsup

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These things happened just as I said. I was there. These things and many more besides happened on 16th and Day Streets in Alexandria, La. during the late 1950s and early 1960s in my home church at the time.

There was such an intensity of the Spirit there that it was on one occasion most of the people in the church had a difficult time standing. Many were slain in the Spirit. Once, a white-hot fire tornado swept through the old building and knocked many of us down. This is nothing new. My parents told me of times in the 1930s that the congregation was hit and was strewn around almost like cord wood.

I am an eye witness to many things none of which I would exaggerate or embellish. There were many mighty miracles that took place in that old church on 16th and Day. Hopefully, someone will write a book about it before it becomes ancient history and forgotten.

btw, Have you ever read the book on the life and ministry of Sister Maria Woodworth-Etter? If not, you should try to get a copy of it. She was long before my time but I've seen much of what took place in her own ministry.

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Not doubting you at all. I am aware of 16th and Day. I wish someone would publish a book that said...
1) Sis. So and So got up from her wheelchair and is still out of it today. And here's her name.
2) Bro. So and So had a tumor disappear from his neck and here are pictures before and after. And here's his name.
3) Bro. Who Would Have Thought It was blind, could not see, and here are doctor reports to substantiate the fact and here he is reading his Bible. And his name is ______.

Why so doubtful? Well you can get on TV and hear reports of so many things that supposedly happened, (and then find out there was someone behind the stage with a remote facility telling the preacher what he needed to know). Others who walked in and got in a wheelchair before they were prayed for.

I've seen push downs, fall downs, etc and when you stop and think, (without emotionalism being involved) you wonder just how much of this was God and how much of it was a promotional tactic of some preacher or evangelist.

So I guess, when I hear someone make the statement you made, I wonder if that's not a phrase that has been repeated so many times from the pulpit that we get to thinking that it really happened, when it has not. That's the reason I say, "Give me a name!"

Been Thinkin

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ok

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Could you, please, give me the name of the lame man who was healed at the gate called Beautiful or maybe the name of the woman with the issue of blood? I have the feeling names and dates wouldn't do much to convince you.
If Apprehended says he saw these things why don't you believe him? Why would names make you believe?

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The last time that I was at a Gen. Conf. was in Milwaukee during the 1990s. Praise went up so greatly during a choir selection that the glory of God came down in a mighty way. A woman (whose name I do not know) who had not walked in a quite a few years. She suddenly stood up and begin to walk. That was the last time I saw anyone get out of a wheel chair who had not walked in many years. Brother Urshan had the woman to testify.

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I'm not just talking about Apprehended. I'm talking about the false, self proclaiming world we live in. I don't have any problem with the lame man, he was important enough to be mentioned in the Bible. So, by your own words, I am assuming that you believe in everything that is reported on TV now days and if someone said it's the truth (again no reflection on Apprehended nor the church of which he spoke .... I know the Manguns very well, and they are great people and I am sure Apprehended is also, altho I do not know him, I don't think) it's the truth! Well, I've been around and seen a lot of things and somethings I don't put a blanket approval on. And I could in fact give you the name, address and phone number of a lady in Fort Worth that was given up to die with cancer, 45 or 46 years ago and she's still alive.

And further more, I did not say I didn't believe Apprehended, I simply asked him if he in fact saw the things he made mention of.

Theophil do you believe everything you hear?

Been Thinkin

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That truly is a great miracle, that anything spiritual could take place at GC. :)

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I believe everything a man of God, like Apprehended, says about what he saw.

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hahahaha.....

:ursofunny

aint it the TRUTH!

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You just might know him:

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...33&postcount=1

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I deeply appreciate that.

We are eyewitnesses of his majesty and glory. I've seen many great miracles. My wife was raised from the dead. That is well documented. My mother was so seriously injured in a car accident in 1952 that the doctors said she would never walk. Shortly after the doctors proclaimed her to be an invalid for the rest of her life, she said, "If I can get to church, God will heal me." They got her to church on a cot where she was lain near the wall to the right of the pulpit. After church, she was prayed for. She got up and walked. She walked down the stairs at 722 Octavia Street in New Orleans, went home and never went back to bed again. John Raymond Cupid (the current Pastor) who was just a young boy as myself at the time, often recounts that great miracle which he saw.

The only name that has any importance at all is the Name of Jesus. I pay little attention to names.

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Oh my goodness!

Have mercy on my poor aching soul!

:lol

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One of the greatest miracles I can attest to happened in Miami in 1971. I guess I was just fortunate to have been in the right place at the right time. It all began before service, when an African American woman that I did not know, walked up to me and asked me if I would take her son to the rest room. I thought it strange that a woman woud ask me to do this as I just a kid myself (14). But, I believe God was in it so I would know without a doubt that all this was true. I consented and saw that her son, about 7 or 8 years old, was in leg braces all the way to to his hips. He walked on metal crutches and needed to be steadied as he, well, did his business. I helped him the best I could and led him back to his mother.

The service started and progressed and I never saw the woman or child again (large crowd)... until the service was over. As we began to file out, the evangelist called out.... "Hey, everybody, look what Jesus did!" Everyone turned back to the platform to see the preacher holding the boy in one arm and those heavy metal braces in the other hand. He sat the boy down and he started walking, then ruunning back and forth across the platform. I tell you, I thought church was going to start all over again as people began to rejoice and praise the Lord. Thats ONE miracle that I was priviledged to have personal knowledge of and know for a fact it was true.

I recieved the Holy Ghost in that meeting on Jan. 30, 1971. And the preachers name was R. W. Schambach. I saw the kid again a few months later. He was still walking and running without braces... or even crutches.

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As a young girl when I used to visit my grandmother, I remember she would always listen to a Bro. Schambach on the radio at a certain time each day. It was back in the late 60's or early 70's. I had not thought of that name again until I read it just now. I wonder if it was the same preacher.

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Let me tell a little more about my little Grandmother, Lizzie Blakey.

As I mentioned before, she was the first of our family to hear and obey
the apostolic plan of salvation.
After God had healed her as she lay dying with typhoid fever in 1926 (I made an
error in the first post of saying it was in 1928), she was 28 yrs. old. My dad who
was 8 yrs. old witnessed the doctor telling his father,"Lizzie's dying! See the blue on
her feet and legs".
A few years later, the message of Acts 2 came to their small town and after search-
ing the scriptures to see if these things be so or not, she found them to be so, and
obeyed this message, along with her young son, my father.(14 yrs. old by now).

After God had healed Grandma, she continued with her young son, to read the Word
of God. Faith came by hearing and "eating" the Word of God.

During this time her young daughter became very ill with what they later decided was
appendecitis. It got to where she could hardly eat or drink and became very weak.

Grandma was desperately trying to trust God as she believed that healing was included
in the atonement. That Jesus suffered stripes for our healing and if we didn't avail our-
selves of it, He took them in vain.

It came to the place where her side turned dark and my grandfather, who was a self-
taught "vet" told her, "You've waited too late, gangrene has set in". The pastor's
mother had already come out to their farm and told her if the child died, it would bring
on a reproach to the church. Grandma said, No, Sis. Sally, "What brings a reproach on
the church is when the church preaches that God can heal but as soon as someone
gets sick, they run to the doctor". So I can imagine what Grandma was going through
with both the pastor's mother and now her husband saying it was too late. What was
a young mother who God had healed when she was yet a Methodist, to do.

Leaving her husband to watch their daughter (I think she was 8), Grandma went down
to a little persimmon thicket where she would go to get alone with God. She poured out
her heart to God, telling Him she had endeavored to trust Him and knew He could heal
her child, BUT, "nevertheless, YOUR WILL be done". She wept as she gave her child up
to God.(reminds me of Abraham and his son, Isaac). She arose and went to the house
to find the child sitting up in bed, asking for food and drink. She lived well past 70 yrs.

Many years later, as an adult, living in Garland, Tx, this daughter went to the doctor
for an unrelated situation. The physican who attended her, asked her who had done
her appendectomy. She told him the story. All he could say was "Incredible"!!!

Grandma trusted God all the remaining days of her life. She covered her family with
prayer. She "ate" the Word of God daily. I know I am a recipient of her prayers.

Blessings,

Falla39

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Cont'd..

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What this thread is not about:

This thread is not to discount or reflect on anyone who goes to the doctor.

I thank God for the good things doctors have done to assist or aid in
the caring of some of my own family, children, grandchildren, siblings, etc.

Man is limited and can do what humanity can do. God is not limited and can
do what Deity can. Great things can happen when God works in and through
man to accomplish His Will and His Plan.

God, manifesting Himself through man accomplished the Salvation Plan. But
God must give the "Orders". Jesus told his disciples that he only said and did
what the Father (Spirit, Deity) said or did.
Oh, that sons would have that kind of reverence for their fathers today. And
fathers would set a godly example that sons could look up to them. This also
applies to mothers and daughters.

What this thread is about is some (partial) history of our family. Past!
History!

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today and forever.

Blessings,

Falla39

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I'm sure it is. Bro, Schambach was an Associate of A. A. Allen in the 50's who launched his own ministry in 1958. His "Hour of Deliverance" was heard on radio staions all over the country in the 60's and 70's. He always closed his broadcast with the words, "This is Bro. Schambach reminding you, you don't have any trouble, all you need is faith in God!"

He'd still in the ministry though I'm sure he's in his 80's now. www.schambach.org

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I remember as a 12 or 13 year old kid taking my little transistor radio to bed with me, crawling under my covers with my pillow over my head and keeping my radio down as low as I possibly could, trying to see if I could tune in stations from as far away as possible. VERY often I would tune in to a station from somewhere in the south where someone named RW Schambach would teach from the Word of God. I always stayed tuned to that when I could find it. Learned soooooo much from him!

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Who? Where?

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"Someone named RW Schambach..." LOL. I liked old Bro. Schambach. He made it a point once (more than 30 years ago) to call out the local UPC I attended at the time as being ... I forget, "a bad church?" I forget the exact term he used. Apparently we weren't Trinitarian or something.

He was in town and actually preaching from a tent and on the radio. Later, Oral Roberts came to town and set up the same tent in an AoG Church's parking lot.

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I mean no disrespect, but I think when extravagant claims are made - particularly in the context of "church was better back then" - then it's fair to question the claims being made.

BeenThinking was certainly polite in the way he asked the question.

I'm old enough to remember the voices of three generations of Apostolic "old timers" now. They all said, "we had more 'miracles' a way back yonder..." Even the younger elders said that when it became their turn to reminisce; and that despite the fact that their elders had bewailed the "compromise" and "worldly cares" of that generation.

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Are we positive that Theophil and Apprehended are not the same person?

LOL

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Thanks pelathais. Wasn't trying to offend anyone. I've heard my share of preachers "speaking evangelistically" in my time and as far as I'm concerned the subject here is too important to "speak evangelistically!" And I kinda wonder about those who get so upset when someone ask about this. I am glad to hear the acceptance on AFF of Bro. A. A. Allen and Bro. Shambach and the miracles that occurred in their ministry.
And to those who seemed to forget my mentioning the lady in Fort Worth that had cancer and was healed some 45 years ago, have you heard of Sis Osteen, Joel's mom who was healed many years ago of terminal cancer. I believe in it! Just don't like to see it used to promote some man as he counts all of his miracles.

God bless you all. It's late and I'm shutting down for the night...I think!

Been Thinkin

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So, Bro Schambach was/is of the AOG churches? Never knew that I guess.

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I never knew where RW Schambach stood on the God-head. That was before my days in the apostolic church, so to me that was never even an issue. I was just a 13-14 year old kid thrilled because #1: I could pull in a radio station from so far away with my little transistor radio and #2: I was so hungry for anything about the Lord that finding some good teaching that late at night was pure food for my soul :)

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Well, yes and no. Bro Schambach (Robert W.), born in 1926, was licensed with the AOG in 51 and joined Bro. Allens minsitry in 1953.. He was Assembly of God until about 1955 (I think) when the AOG ousted A. A. Allen. While I won't go into detail as to why Bro. Allen was dismissed, there was an apparent attempt during that period by the AOG to "reign in" the tent preachers. There was a real competitive edge among them that led some to do and say things that were, well, pretty farfetched. And, some were making bold claims about healings, attendance, "signs and wonders", etc., that they could not or would not substanitate. Bro Jack Coe, Bro. Allens most fierce competitor, was dismissed from the AOG in 1953.

Bro. Schambach left Bro. Allen in 1959 on good terms and started his own evangelistic ministry. Bro. Schambachs wife recently passed away.

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Yes, there are a lot of "rules" if you will in the UPC. God did not make these rules, man did. That being said there is a biblical foundation for MOST of the guidelines or standards upheld by the UPC. The bible is very clear that God does not like his children to adorn themselves with jewels or for women to cut their hair. It's in there folks, in more than one place. You'd have to be blind not to see or understand it.

It is not our place to judge what another person should do or not do. If we truly have God where he should be in our lives we will have no desire for things that do not please him. Still it is not a persons place to judge anyone!

The whole men having facial hair or not is a cultural thing and not in the bible. Sports...while that may be your conviction not to attend, do NOT force someone else to share that view. I was raised with the view that it was wrong to attend, but I have always thought that was a lame "rule" and now I think it is even more lame. IMO, and many others, sports are very healthy for people especially kids! Children and adults alike need physical exercise! They also need interaction with other people and sports is a good way to get that. It is great for a persons mental health to be active! It should not however take the place of church.

Ok so that is my rant on this subject. I'm sure there is more I could say, but I am at a loss right now and will spare you all form anymore of my postings.

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wrong thread

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lol. Yep.

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Well I was sure my reply had something to do with this conversation and what other people had posted in response.

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Well I think it does pertain to the initial posts. It just seemed kind of random at the point it showed up in the thread. Blessings...

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Well like I said, I just joined this forum today and those were my thougts.

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What? Who cares?

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:thumbsup By the way, welcome to AFF!

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LOL. Thank you!