Originally Posted by OGIA (Post 119664)

Excellent thought, CS!!

And that is exactly what too many "Apostolics" do today-- they let the criticism of the world (which we know is mostly born out of ignorance and/or rebellion) bring into question if "we" are really right about this separation thing.

Just because some educated woman doesn't understand what Apostolic means, personally and scripturally, and just because she has come up with a definition based (most likely) on her refusal to ever adhere to such separation doesn't mean we are wrong. Ya' ever think SHE is wrong?


Disclaimer: I'm referring strictly to outward standards, as this is what the lady focused on. She is inwardly still not holy, so why would I (we) expect her to have anything but a skewed perception of what Apostolic is?

Originally Posted by Old Paths (Post 119660)

HI Danny isn't it a wonderful Saturday?

The sky is blue.

The birds in the backyard are singing.

And not a bad attitude any where near my place.

Now you have a great weekend.

God is Good.

:D

Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 119674)

When I think of the Amish people, I don't think about how spiritual and close to God they are. I see them as the folks that can't drive a car, and live like folks did in the 1700-1800s because of their religious beliefs.

I believe that is also how most outsiders also think of conservative Oneness Apostolics. They look at them as folks that can't do this and that because of their strict religious beliefs. You're wrong if you think the world puts you on a spiritual pedestal.

Originally Posted by OGIA (Post 119678)

But, who cares what the world thinks.......IF.......what you live is scriptural and thus done to bring HIM glory??

That was the point of my last post. Too many Apostolics are giving in to the pressure of being "accepted" by the world, when that world doesn't have a clue why we live the way we do.

Do you think Paul REALLY cared what the world thought of him?

Originally Posted by Berkeley (Post 119681)

Ya know, many Apostolics don't even know why they believe what they do! It's not about being "accepted" by the world... but don't put a yoke on the people that isn't theirs to carry!

Originally Posted by Berkeley (Post 119681)

Ya know, many Apostolics don't even know why they believe what they do!

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 119682)

A good pastor friend recently declared to me ... similar words ... he's decided to make his church non-denominational while stile keep his credentials ... He said: Why should they have to carry this unnecessary yoke. I'll do it.

Originally Posted by OGIA (Post 119678)

But, who cares what the world thinks.......IF.......what you live is scriptural and thus done to bring HIM glory??

That was the point of my last post. Too many Apostolics are giving in to the pressure of being "accepted" by the world, when that world doesn't have a clue why we live the way we do.

Do you think Paul REALLY cared what the world thought of him?

Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 119690)

If the purpose is to be "seperate" from the given culture by their ultra-conservative attire, they are succeeding. If the purpose is to be "seperate" by showing love and having a Godly spirit and glow about them, they may or may not be succeeding.

Originally Posted by OGIA (Post 119664)

Excellent thought, CS!!

And that is exactly what too many "Apostolics" do today-- they let the criticism of the world (which we know is mostly born out of ignorance and/or rebellion) bring into question if "we" are really right about this separation thing.

Just because some educated, religious woman doesn't understand what Apostolic means, personally and scripturally, and just because she has come up with a definition based (most likely) on her refusal to ever adhere to such separation doesn't mean we are wrong. Ya' ever think SHE is wrong?


Disclaimer: I'm referring strictly to outward standards, as this is what the lady focused on. She is inwardly still not holy, so why would I (we) expect her to have anything but a skewed perception of what Apostolic is?

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad (Post 119696)

1. But if people don't even know what Pentecostals stand for, other than their outward appearance (after 2000 years of continuous oneness Apostolic preaching, then hasn't something gone wrong somewhere? Especially if the "mission" is to bring the whole gospel to the whole world.

2. And we know that criticism is born of ignorance and rebellion? To address ignorance, see my point number 1 above. To adress rebellion... how can you rebel against something that you do not even know exists?

Originally Posted by Coonskinner (Post 119579)

I wonder what people in the "world" saw as the Tabernacle?

Badger skins dyes red.

The gold was on the inside.

The prophet said of the Messiah, "He hath no form nor comeliness, and when ye shall see him, there is no beauty that ye should desire him."

Now, holiness is beautiful to me. I could give you just as many anecdotes of people who speak admiringly of our ladies and their standards. But neither my anecdotes nor yours really matter.

Following the principles of the Scripture is what matters, regardless of what the world and its unregenerate children think.

The natural man doesn't comprehend spiritual things. He isn't able to.

You start trying to establish doctrine and practice based on what the world finds appealing, and you will become totally apostate faster than you can say "mini-skirt."

Originally Posted by Coonskinner (Post 119579)

I wonder what people in the "world" saw as the Tabernacle?

Badger skins dyes red.

The gold was on the inside.

Originally Posted by tv1a (Post 119143)

I was speaking to a religious person today and the topic came up about what the difference is between apostolic and pentecostal. I asked her what she though apostolic meant and she ran down this list....

1. Dresses
2. Uncut Hair
3. No make-up
4. No television

She equates apostolics with legalism. She doesn't equate an apostolic as being a spirit filled believer who operates in the power and demonstration of the Holy Ghost.

She reinforces what a vast majority of people think about apostolics. There are some who are intellectually dishonest and would want to question the intelligence of this person, but she is a college graduate, has owned a business, and is a very active member of her church.

Can anyone explain again what legalism has to do with the '' apostle's doctrine''? The world isn't buying it one bit.

Originally Posted by Brother Strange (Post 119602)

I am distressed to think that anyone would immediately think of how a person looked outwardly when their attention is called to the people of God...the Apostolic faith.

Jesus did not tell us to let the world see how long your dress is or how naked is your ring finger. He did not tell to let the world see the women's long hair or even truly Godly modesty, though it is integral to being a christian.

The thing that Jesus wanted the world to see in us is a light as a city set upon a hill by our GOOD WORKS.

Let your light shine before men that they might see you GOOD WORKS and glorify your father which is in heaven. It is a life of WORKS moved by the heat of love and the light of the cross that will lift up Jesus giving glory to our heavenly father.

If we are so deceived by our latter day Apostolic doctrine as to think that our GOOD WORKS is our manner of adornment, we are then deceived by our own doctrine. Yet, I've lived long enough to see it.

Daily, I strive to do some GOOD WORK. That is letting my light shine though there is nothing about my outward adornment that would distinguish me from any other silver haired man in a business suit. In doing a GOOD WORK yesterday brought joy to my heart though it was not a great monumental work of reknown. It was something rather small, but quite significant. It made a difference. It was a GOOD work.

Daily we can seek to serve the Lord in our GOOD works, letting our light shine before men without trying to impress the world with our ostentatious outward adornment. Our ultra-conservative adornment very often glorifies no one except the one so adorned among others of like mind. This is "herd" or what is mass deception.

Let us reposition our emphasis upon the intent of the scriptures in giving glory to God by our good works rather than what has become Apostolic PRIDE. Daily we can do something for Jesus in very insignificant ways that may not be so earthshaking but it draws a heavenly smile anyway, as the light berfore men shines out.

I heard a Prophet of the Lord sing as he strumed his guitar and tears flowing down his face, the light shining upon him...

I wonder have I done my best for Jesus?
How many are the souls that I've lifted?
How many are the chains that I've broken too?
I wonder have I done my best for Jesus
He has done his very, very best for me

Oh my! I see the Apostolic Church (as we know it) so far adrift and seems to be drifting further and further away upon a sea of no return...without chart, compass, sail or rudder...just drifting.

Originally Posted by Coonskinner (Post 119577)

Come on.

The Gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

I don't know any Apostolic preacher who doesn't know that.

Originally Posted by PaPaDon (Post 119840)

Not to suggest or question that your statement is not correct, rather to say that it is not entirely correct....

The WHOLE gospel consists of those elementary principles which comprise the "doctrine of Christ":

1. Repentance from dead works
2. Faith toward God
3. Baptisms
4. Laying on of hands
5. Resurrection of the dead
6. Eternal judgment

Everything else are merely variations and/or components of these fundamental elements.

At least that is my humble opinion, for whatever its worth.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 119816)

Originally Posted by Coonskinner (Post 119579)

I wonder what people in the "world" saw as the Tabernacle?

Badger skins dyes red.

The gold was on the inside.

The prophet said of the Messiah, "He hath no form nor comeliness, and when ye shall see him, there is no beauty that ye should desire him."

Now, holiness is beautiful to me. I could give you just as many anecdotes of people who speak admiringly of our ladies and their standards. But neither my anecdotes nor yours really matter.

Following the principles of the Scripture is what matters, regardless of what the world and its unregenerate children think.

The natural man doesn't comprehend spiritual things. He isn't able to.

You start trying to establish doctrine and practice based on what the world finds appealing, and you will become totally apostate faster than you can say "mini-skirt."

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed (Post 119829)

In Eastern Canada the term Apostolic refers to a group of Pentecostals who are very cultish in there daily lifestyle. The women have uncut, uncurled hair, wearing it usually in a style that I think is called "set" hair. Their clothing is very modest. No jewelry. The men have close cropped hair. They are not allowed to marry outside the Apostolic community they are a part of. The leaders are very controlling to the point of requiring that they cash their paychecks at the church where 15% is deducted upon cashing of their paycheck. I believe 5% is to support their Christian school.

Originally Posted by Brother Strange (Post 119813)

Well,

I guess I will just butt out. My statement seems to have made sense to neither Con or Lib.....

I wish everone to have a great week next week....

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 119816)

Originally Posted by OGIA (Post 119664)

Excellent thought, CS!!

And that is exactly what too many "Apostolics" do today-- they let the criticism of the world (which we know is mostly born out of ignorance and/or rebellion) bring into question if "we" are really right about this separation thing.
[QUOTE]tv1a: It has nothing to do with fear of criticism. The Bible says we would be persecuted for His Name's Sake. The separation comes with a relationship with Jesus which many substitue with a clothesline doctrine.[/QUOTE]

Just because some educated, religious woman doesn't understand what Apostolic means, personally and scripturally, and just because she has come up with a definition based (most likely) on her refusal to ever adhere to such separation doesn't mean we are wrong. Ya' ever think SHE is wrong?

[QUOTE]tv1a: Post after post after post shows anyone and their mother has a "biblical" definition of apostolic. Give the Gieco cavemen some time and they could come with a definition of apostolic. How can she be wrong in her definition of apostolic when there isn't a biblical or universal definition anyone can agree on? She is just as right in her definition of apostolic as you are. Did you ever think the light you thought you were shining wasn't coming from the bulb you thought it would was? [/QUOTE]

Disclaimer: I'm referring strictly to outward standards, as this is what the lady focused on. She is inwardly still not holy, so why would I (we) expect her to have anything but a skewed perception of what Apostolic is?[QUOTE] tv1a: The lady only focuses on what she sees. If she saw a little more God and a little less legalism she may have had a different conclusion.
The more I read this thread and others like this, the more I see the skewered definition of apostolic comes from the inside. [/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed (Post 119829)

In Eastern Canada the term Apostolic refers to a group of Pentecostals who are very cultish in there daily lifestyle. The women have uncut, uncurled hair, wearing it usually in a style that I think is called "set" hair. Their clothing is very modest. No jewelry. The men have close cropped hair. They are not allowed to marry outside the Apostolic community they are a part of. The leaders are very controlling to the point of requiring that they cash their paychecks at the church where 15% is deducted upon cashing of their paycheck. I believe 5% is to support their Christian school.

Originally Posted by Brother Strange (Post 119576)

Would you call scriptural separation a condition of the spiritual (inward) man or the physical (outward) body/man?

Originally Posted by OGIA (Post 119936)

Bro. Strange,

I agree with your post, but I don't see what it has to do with the thread? Someone spoke to an educated, religious woman who thought "Apostolic" was defined by outward standards and with legalism. It was also said, "She doesn't equate an apostolic as being a spirit filled believer who operates in the power and demonstration of the Holy Ghost."

While your post has truth in it, it does not answer the problem this woman has. She might be educated and religious, but she is not born again (that I've read) and apparently no one has ever taken the time to talk with her about what she believes and why, and, even moreso, explain scripturally what "Apostolic" does mean.

I don't see it and can't assume it didn't happen, but I wonder if the originator of this thread has an Apostolic church which "operates in the power and demonstration of the Holy Ghost" to take her to? If so, was she invited?

Also, I wonder how the originator of this thread answered this educated, religious woman's definition? Did he/she attempt to define "Apostolic" by scripture, or did he/she just agree and reinforce this woman's ignorance? If the latter, then I don't know why he/she would even start this thread, seeing as he/she shirked his/her responsibility to this woman.

It's fun to come on and bash standards, but I wonder if the educated, religious woman in this thread is any closer to being born again than she was before the conversation? That's what it's all about, isn't it?

Originally Posted by tv1a (Post 120581)

OGIA,
No one can explain apostolic scripturally. It is all speculation. Rosie O'Donnell is just as apostolic as you are. Picking a few words of scriptures for a selective self serving definitions doesn't mean a thing. We know legalism breeds self-serving definitions. Can't call electronice video devices a television. Have to call it a monitor to get by the standards patrol. Can't have television because of the junk that's on it. But it's okay to have internet access.

Even if I wanted to explain what an apostolic is, there are no scriptures to define what an apostolic is. I choose to stay in the Word. People can make up their own minds.

I notice the novel approach of denying the fact your definition of apostolic is not a mainstream definition of apostolic. You're pseudo concern of whether I'm sharing my faith or not is irrelevant to the conversation.

Your post proves since you have no credible defense against the message, to attack the messager. Annas and Ciaaphas would be so proud of you.

Originally Posted by OGIA (Post 119936)

Bro. Strange,

I agree with your post, but I don't see what it has to do with the thread? Someone spoke to an educated, religious woman who thought "Apostolic" was defined by outward standards and with legalism. It was also said, "She doesn't equate an apostolic as being a spirit filled believer who operates in the power and demonstration of the Holy Ghost."

While your post has truth in it, it does not answer the problem this woman has. She might be educated and religious, but she is not born again (that I've read) and apparently no one has ever taken the time to talk with her about what she believes and why, and, even moreso, explain scripturally what "Apostolic" does mean.

I don't see it and can't assume it didn't happen, but I wonder if the originator of this thread has an Apostolic church which "operates in the power and demonstration of the Holy Ghost" to take her to? If so, was she invited?

Also, I wonder how the originator of this thread answered this educated, religious woman's definition? Did he/she attempt to define "Apostolic" by scripture, or did he/she just agree and reinforce this woman's ignorance? If the latter, then I don't know why he/she would even start this thread, seeing as he/she shirked his/her responsibility to this woman.

It's fun to come on and bash standards, but I wonder if the educated, religious woman in this thread is any closer to being born again than she was before the conversation? That's what it's all about, isn't it?

Originally Posted by Thad (Post 120597)

This post is was posted with a Bad Spirit. now, I too have not been able to eqaute the difference between preaching agianst TV and internet either knowing how detrimental both can be and perhaps internet being the worst of the 2 evils, but to refer to OGIA as a Rosie Odonnell is really Low

Originally Posted by Berkeley (Post 120706)

tv1a.. it's a lost cause with these folk!!!

Originally Posted by rrford (Post 120714)

Berkeley,

Are you Apostolic?

Originally Posted by Berkeley (Post 120706)

tv1a.. it's a lost cause with these folk!!!

Originally Posted by rrford (Post 120714)

Berkeley,

Are you Apostolic?