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What ?

If the story you told is correct, then the Man you think came to rebuke you and obviously did not. Showed himself a gentleman. You are accusing him of being two-faced and a liar. Because you're believing what your friend told you instead of what actually happened at that restaurant. Its obvious that your best friend didn't know what that guy was going to say.

I think it's very honorable if a man has a burden for somebody that he would come to him and express that very thing. Why would that be a bad thing, why would that be something to all the sudden now turn it negative towards the conservative movement?

This post if you would be honest with yourself and with everybody else here was nothing more than to put another knife in the back of every good man of God that has a backbone to stand for anything. It's obvious you are still bitter because of some offense that is happened to you, or else you would've contacted that man personally to hear what he has to say to you. Instead of mocked about it here.

In my time I have talked to many like you and I have given them what I felt in the spirit to say, some it is helped and they have prayed back through to the Holy Ghost. Some continue to live their life and go on to be reprobate. And in my heart of hearts I have wept much and prayed much, over people backing out from things they once believed.

It's obvious also by everyone that agreed with you or commend you for the story that you shared with us. That they too are in danger of having their conscience seared with a hot iron. I would welcome anybody to come to me if I was backing away or letting down or compromising. To come to me with a sincere spirit and warn me. I would then sincerely search my soul, but I wouldn't post it here.

The Lord rebuke you sir.

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Seriously?

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You do have a valid point. :)

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Well, it did sound like DB painted the guy as a religious legalistic neanderthal. :)

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Yep, you sure ain't painting this cowboy as anything less than a circus trainwreck. :heeheehee

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Honestly, it did sound a little pharisaical, when DB posted that he thanks God he wasn't like the legalistic knuckle dragging old tyme Pennycostal :lol

DB is in a good place, his old bud is in a bad place, DB has joy because he is secure in his salvation, and his Bible school friend has no joy because he isn't secure in his salvation of obviously what Jesus hasn't done for him?

I guess it is all how you look at this con vs lib Kabuki Theatre :heeheehee

Yet from the story as posted, he didn't judge you with vitriol. In fact, as you wrote, he wept and told you he loved you.

Then you post and crucify the guy for something he was allegedly going to do, but didn't actually do.

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After this post I think I know what the J.A. stands for! If no one has told you this before let me be the first to tell you that you are quite the drama queen (or king).

Putting a knife in the back of every good man of God? Good grief!

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Awww. This thread reminds me of FCF and NFCF.

:icecream

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MY assessment has nothing to do with whether or not you are liberal or conservative. It has everything to do with the fact a guy looked you up, wanted to meet you, told you he loved you (honestly, I was afraid it was going to be something worse than a rebuke the way you wrote it...) AND YET you are STILL GOING ON as if the guy had attacked you, judged you, condemned you, and tried to straighten you out.

Yet YOU have definitely attacked him on an online forum, judged him, condemned him even, and (being the sweet baby Jesus nice guy that you are) FAILED TO EVEN TRY TO STRAIGHTEN HIM OUT.

As for the lib/con thing, I have seen repeatedly here on AFF, and on nFCF before, that self proclaimed liberals do the very things they condemn as being 'conservative traits'.

Things like assuming someone is 'lost' or outside the grace of God (backslidden) because they don't see things the way you do. I find this all rather hypocritical.

Why didn't you just ASK HIM? Why didn't you say 'Hey, I heard you were coming to meet me to straighten me out, what's up with that?'

:throwrock

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:highfive

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Well,
The guy heard he was gonna get rebuked, he talked about getting rebuked, was scared about getting rebuked, judging people who rebuked...
So I just got him real good got it over with.
He had it coming.
That's all.:heeheehee

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Telling him "The Lord rebuke you" was for kicks and giggles?

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Rebuking him would have been one thing. But trashing Deacon to someone else showed contempt and basically disqualified the college buddy from rebuking him.

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No, he had it coming.
EB is a pro at response, it was funny to me.

So by use of your reasoning, DB trashed this guy which shows contempt and basically disqualified himself from "showing the higher way" or whatever he claims the Lord told him to do.

Did the Lord tell DB to post accusations against this man? Surely this isn't the "higher way" the Lord meant.

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hmm. no names were named...might come under the category of "figuring it out" or whatever?
ahem.

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Only someone who is already biased against DB would buy into such an apples and oranges argument as you have posted here. DB has named no names. Therefore the parties involved remain nameless and faceless characters in this testimony. He is simply relating a story. On the other hand, his college buddy DID name names, going out of his way to call their mutual friend and trash DB. The mutual friend, who is still UPC, and who might actually share some of the concerns the college buddy has concerning DB, was so concerned that he felt like he should warn DB.

DB is the violated party here, not the college Buddy. Those of us who do not view everything through our politically correct UPC lenses understand this. Those who think DB is backslid think he deserves whatever he gets and do not apply equal laws of justice to his situation.

Not apples and oranges. And my response has nothing to do with the UPC or how I view DB.

But if this is how you want to justify it, whatever. Of course, God knows the names and His Word is pretty clear about backbiting, gossip, false witness and spreading lies.

Doesn't matter what AFF thinks of DB's post, but it does matter what God and His Word says. I challenge you to find anything in His Word which condones and justifies the OP. It's simply not there.

And yes, the college buddy is a violated party due to DB's accusations against him.

Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;

Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

Matthew 5:23-25 KJV

That's the higher way. DB should have talked with his college buddy about the accusations...not AFF.

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Again. A false narrative. DB did not accuse him.

Sharing what the college buddy told the mutual friend is not an accusation.

DB headed off a bad situation. The college buddy never got to carry out his plan.

Sure he could have confronted him about what he told the mutual friend, but what good would that have done except to possibly alienate the other friend?

Bump

This is the only higher way. The only solution of which God approves.

He didn't accuse him? Did you read the OP? Most of it is an unfounded, unproven accusation against his college buddy.

He did more than relate what his long time friend told him:

LOL what plan? You and DB are assuming there was some nefarious plan to confront DB based on someone's gossip and unsupported by the actions and attitude of this man as written by DB.

He hugged him, cried and said he loved him.

Doesn't sound like a man who had ill intent.

So the long time friend told him the gossip but didn't want him to mention it? My words and assumption...I know DB didn't say that.

DB wrote the post patting himself on the back for such a good thing he did and how he did the higher thing. Unfortunately, the post itself was a glaring contradiction against the true higher way as stated in the Bible.

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If I were a betting man...

DB's close friend probably didn't say and do what he did to be accusatory or a tale-bearer or a gossip. He was being loyal. Friends do look out for each other.

If I were DB's close friend in this situation, I would have said and done the same thing.

Why would you let your friend walk blindly into a potentially bad situation?

What kind of friend would do that?

I am glad DB's 30 years late friend decided to rather reconnect the relationship and maybe grow the friendship than to try to "line him up".

It may have been his plan, but he could have WISELY changed his mind. There are times, when people come up with bad ideas and then change their minds before they actually carry out their bad ideas.

There really isn't a bad guy in this story. A little misplaced zeal wisely not acted on does not make the 30 years late guy a bad person.

A loyal friend being loyal is not a sign of being a bad person.

Starting a thread about the whole interaction does not make DB wrong either. DB keeps everything anonymous. Where is the harm in this?

Maybe there is something to this whole interaction that all of us can learn from.

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There isn't anyone in this situation that doesn't deserve the benefit of doubt.

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OMGosh! Lol!

The guy had "so much I want to say to you"---he told my best friend everything he planned to say. But I had to leave, I had 15 minutes to give him. He had no time to unload on me. He held back because of a lack of time and because my best friend rebuked him and told him to not dare say any of the things he was planning to say to me. MY TRUE FRIEND told him to do nothing but love me. But his prayers at the church said enough that my saints could tell he had an ulterior motive. Face it, not everyone who claims to be Apostolic represents the movement well, nor do they know how to deal with people who are an enigma to them.

As far as what you posted above---you are clueless about my situation.

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I should have. But I had 15 minutes. My daughter was more important.

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THIS made me howl!!!!!!!!:slaphappy

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When I need legal representation may I call on you?

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JD---we need to get together. I have some things I want to say to you. :happydance

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Certainly.

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Ok. So if the cops receive a letter from a terrorist that names the date and time he is coming to your house to kill you, they had better not tell you because that would be hearsay and gossip.

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Oh good grief. :killinme

Your overblown what ifs are ridiculous.

Comparing DB's issue to murder and terror...

:laffatu

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You had no way to contact him afterwards?

Maybe he'll come on to AFF and get a chance to tell you what was up. Surely that's better than a face to face talk...

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I told him he was welcome to call me if he had more to say. He said he would. Still waiting on that call.

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My question is why did the rebuker feel comfortable to tell the good friend he was going to set things straight? Sounds like this good friend is talking from both sides.

I try to listen to rebuke. Many times others see us from an unbiased perspective. At least a person should weigh things in the balance before coming to conclusions. The particulars would be important to know before saying anyone is right or wrong.

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Why can't we just look for the best in people?

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I think that too many times those that feel they are in "the right" feel they can use whatever methods they want and the ones that are having the methods used on them are obligated to swallow it hook line and sinker without comment other than humble acceptance and agreement. Honestly I dont respond well to being ambushed in ANY aspect of my life.

Bro I'm glad you got a heads up and was able to prepare. Who knows...maybe your attitude and demeanor will convict him and plant a seed. I used to judge and condemn those that I felt were not somehow measuring up. I held wrong attitudes in my heart against good people that I felt were wrong and out of line because they held views that I didnt. I'm thankful that is behind me. I no longer sit back with a self righteous and smug attitude judging others. I DO look for the best in people...I try and connect with people on what we agree on and not have discord over what we dont.

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^im confused. I thought you said you met at a restaurant and that is where he prayed for you?