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Falla39 08-17-2007 08:55 PM
The High Price of Intentional Indiscretions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Strange (Post 218420)
How many thousands of times have I contemplated to the very depths of my souls this very vein of thought.

I could say a great deal after having seen so much of intentional indiscretions. But, I've also seen a great deal that came from purposeful discretion.

I too had come to a crossroad in my own life. I hid away for many days in fasting and prayer. No it was not a question of holiness, wordliness, doctrine or anything related. No one is any more resolute than I on doctrine and known by some to be an ultra con, others a little on the liberal side. But, in this regard, I believe in holiness both inwardly and outwardly too. I wil never compromise in this regard.

While not really seeking the Lord specifically about the thing that was on my mind, never the less the Lord saw it and answered me in a very clear way, speaking to my very soul. I heard the Lord say, "You have a choice. You can be man's man or you can be my man. But you cannot be both." That answered the question in my mind once and for all...and for all eternity.

I have learned that if you truly walk with God, you will eventually walk ALONE with God. This statement may seem totally ludicrous to the typical fellowship officinatos that find their fellowship to be the strength of the Everlasting Arm. I am afraid that they have built the faith of their grandchildren, if not their children on sinking sand rather than the solid rock that will endure the test of time. To lean upon the passing fellowship fancy of the day will leave us empty in generatons to come.

Purposeful discretion rather than intentional indiscretion may be considered the extreme for some but it is better to walk with God alone that will lead forever onward and upward rather than lean upon the temporary whims of a fickle fellowship that will change with the wind, subject to the ballot and the 51% voting majority. To surrender control of your ministry, you life, hopes and dreams to such whims will surely pass at the first high tide or strong gale.

Just my surface thoughts here, without going any deeper into the greater area of contemplation that has been with me for much of my life.
Bro. Strange,

I posted this in another thread sometime ago. About twelve years ago

on a Sunday morning , a situation had arisen that I felt so very alone.

As I thought on the situation that had brought me to this place, the

One who stood with me whispered, "There is my Will and there is man's will.

There is my plan (or agenda), and there is man's plan (or agenda). You

must quickly discern the difference". It was a good lesson for me and

it caused me to have the ultimate confidence in my LORD and GOD!!

Because of that experience I probably will never be the same. Don't even

want to be the same. God is great and greatly to be praised.

Blessings,

Falla39

CC1 08-17-2007 09:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 218390)
Unfortunately, idiots like this couple are the face that the conservatives put on those that dare to disagree with given rules and regulations! It sounds to me that this couple's rebellious nature would have doomed them even if they had taken a sudden confusing ultra-con slant and started putting everyone at the rally in hell for wearing sleeves that didn't cover their elbows, etc. The "let's show them!" attitude stinks to the high heavens!

I believe that certain "civil disobedience" is needed to effect change when some rules and regulations are too stringent. But....going to the extreme to make a statement at a highly visible event is wrong, and shows a rebellious spirit!
DITTO me on this post. Pianoman thank you for lately posting the very points I want to make when reading some threads.

also DITTO to scupples who pointed out that this couple were operating in the gift of ignorance.

All this story proves is that ignorance, losing your walk with God, and divorce are not limited to any one stripe of Pentecost.

I would lay blame on them for the ignorant and unwise things this couple did just as I lay the blame for the ignorant and unwise things I see some conservative Pentecostals do where it belongs also.

Rhoni 08-17-2007 09:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 219009)
DITTO me on this post. Pianoman thank you for lately posting the very points I want to make when reading some threads.

also DITTO to scupples who pointed out that this couple were operating in the gift of ignorance.

All this story proves is that ignorance, losing your walk with God, and divorce are not limited to any one stripe of Pentecost.

I would lay blame on them for the ignorant and unwise things this couple did just as I lay the blame the ignorant and unwise things I see some conservative Pentecostals do where it belongs also.
:driving Ditto!

SarahElizabeth 08-17-2007 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Sherri (Post 218381)
This couple just moved in the gift of ignorance!! Never, never, never should you disrespect the men or organization that you serve under. I learned that best in the book "The Tale of Three Kings" which I have read several times. Even when you don't agree, if you are a part of the system, you should try to submit. If you feel that you cannot submit to something that you believe is error, then you should get out. But don't cause confusion in the body; you will be held accountable as a rebellious one.
What if you can't allow yourself to get out - but you feel that some things that are taught are in error?...ie. preaching that facial hair on men is wrong, preaching that even wearing watches will send you to hell, preaching that it's wear long sleeves or you're hell bound?

What's a person to do?....Not meaning to be rebellious, these people who don't agree with the standards, but can't leave, are at best misunderstood and at worst excommunicated. Any opinions from anyone? I've prayed Lord, please don't let me end up like the people in this story, but sometimes all of the mentioning of standards as being what makes us holy gets a little overwhelming in some churches. I want to keep "standards," but outward "standards" are not what make me holy. The beauty of holiness - in my opinion - is the beauty of being complete in Him - to have taken on His Spirit and bearing His fruits - not the fruits of long sleeves and no watches. Just my opinion. Please no attacks.

The couple mentioned in the first post were despicable. They showed very poor judgment - actually no wisdom or finesse.

freeatlast 08-17-2007 09:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 219011)
:driving Ditto!
Put me down for a Mega Ditto: Ignorance is no respector of persons from ultra lib to ultra con.

Scott Hutchinson 08-17-2007 10:17 PM
I realize that I might have some different convictions on some issues than some ,but I'm not gonna shove them in anybody's face.
Of course I'm not as liberal as some ,but not as strict as some either.

pelathais 08-17-2007 10:25 PM
That's a pretty stubborn view of yourself there, Brother Scott. On the one hand I'd say that you need to lighten up on yourself a little bit and not be so strict on how you define your views... but then I'm afraid that a "liberal" nature would take over and I'd never get that diet Coke you promised me!

Scott Hutchinson 08-17-2007 10:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 219170)
That's a pretty stubborn view of yourself there, Brother Scott. On the one hand I'd say that you need to lighten up on yourself a little bit and not be so strict on how you define your views... but then I'm afraid that a "liberal" nature would take over and I'd never get that diet Coke you promised me!
Come on over and get that diet coke.
I'm more concerned about pleasing Jesus that fitting a mold.
You'll go crazy trying to please everybody.

Felicity 08-17-2007 11:30 PM
Flaunting liberty isn't very attractive. I've seen it happen and cringed.

I've always been very careful that although I have liberty where some don't ... not to flaunt it. I have too much respect for people who take a consecrated stand to do that.

stmatthew 08-18-2007 01:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 219009)
DITTO me on this post. Pianoman thank you for lately posting the very points I want to make when reading some threads.

also DITTO to scupples who pointed out that this couple were operating in the gift of ignorance.

All this story proves is that ignorance, losing your walk with God, and divorce are not limited to any one stripe of Pentecost.

I would lay blame on them for the ignorant and unwise things this couple did just as I lay the blame for the ignorant and unwise things I see some conservative Pentecostals do where it belongs also.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 219011)
:driving Ditto!
I do not accept your ditto Rhoni. Since all standard folks are really like those Mormon folk, then all non standard folks are ignorant and unwise like these folks.

Or is it only ok to broad brush when its dealing with conservative folks?

chaotic_resolve 08-18-2007 03:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steadfast (Post 218331)
I remember a few years ago that I was preaching for a young couple that I have spent much time trying to help. They had seen, firsthand, some element of hypocrisy in ‘high places’ and I honestly believed that – because of their confidence in my ministry - I could help reestablish their hearts back to a sure spiritual foundation.

I spent entire week with them and was to culminate on a Friday night with a big rally at their Church. Each night they seemed to look and conduct themselves as being genuinely Apostolic. However, on that Friday I overheard them in a fairly heated argument (I was staying in their home) and repeatedly heard the woman saying, “Even if you don’t believe it I think it’s the wrong way to prove it!”

I wandered back to my room to get far enough away that embarrassment might not be a factor. Imagine my shock, however, when I walked out ready to go to Church and saw the young ‘Pastor’ in a casual shirt and pants. He had some kind of a huge ring on his hand. Each night before he was dressed in a suit and no ring whatsoever. Just about the time that I gathered my composure his wife walked around the corner. She was wearing a skirt about 4 inches above her knee, a blouse so sheer you could see her slip and enough makeup to replenish Maybelline. Each of the other four nights she was the epitome of holiness and modesty.
Not the best way to make a statement, obviously. Though I find something interesting . . .

For four nights everything was dynomite . . .

Then on the fifth night everything suddenly changed . . .

:telephone Hello discernment? Nope, not here . . . :telephone

Sherri 08-18-2007 09:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SarahElizabeth (Post 219021)
What if you can't allow yourself to get out - but you feel that some things that are taught are in error?...ie. preaching that facial hair on men is wrong, preaching that even wearing watches will send you to hell, preaching that it's wear long sleeves or you're hell bound?

What's a person to do?....Not meaning to be rebellious, these people who don't agree with the standards, but can't leave, are at best misunderstood and at worst excommunicated. Any opinions from anyone? I've prayed Lord, please don't let me end up like the people in this story, but sometimes all of the mentioning of standards as being what makes us holy gets a little overwhelming in some churches. I want to keep "standards," but outward "standards" are not what make me holy. The beauty of holiness - in my opinion - is the beauty of being complete in Him - to have taken on His Spirit and bearing His fruits - not the fruits of long sleeves and no watches. Just my opinion. Please no attacks.

The couple mentioned in the first post were despicable. They showed very poor judgment - actually no wisdom or finesse.
SE--Please explain. Why, in free America, could a person not be allowed to leave what they don't agree with? That's the beauty of our country. Are you saying that they couldn't leave without losing relationships with family, or what?

Sister Alvear 08-18-2007 12:13 PM
Sherri..I think that is what she is saying...losing relationships...

Steadfast 08-18-2007 10:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve (Post 219351)
Not the best way to make a statement, obviously. Though I find something interesting . . .

For four nights everything was dynomite . . .

Then on the fifth night everything suddenly changed . . .

:telephone Hello discernment? Nope, not here . . . :telephone
I sincerely don't understand your post... the last line for sure.

The services seemed to be fine all week until the last night. Several reasons for that I suspect:
* Culture shock to their own Church family to have their Pastor's wife come in looking like a high class prostitute.
* Other Churches showing up wondering what in the world was going on with a 'pinky ring' playing Pastor and a song service led by Tammy Faye's first cousin.

Or let's try this... REBELLION trying to prove to everyone just what their brand of rebellion acted like. I know a lot of 'liberal' people who have more dignity than to make an intentional effort to be dingbats.

Yep. That usually affects a service for sure. :sshhh

chaotic_resolve 08-18-2007 11:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steadfast (Post 219871)
I sincerely don't understand your post... the last line for sure.

The services seemed to be fine all week until the last night. Several reasons for that I suspect:
* Culture shock to their own Church family to have their Pastor's wife come in looking like a high class prostitute.
* Other Churches showing up wondering what in the world was going on with a 'pinky ring' playing Pastor and a song service led by Tammy Faye's first cousin.

Or let's try this... REBELLION trying to prove to everyone just what their brand of rebellion acted like. I know a lot of 'liberal' people who have more dignity than to make an intentional effort to be dingbats.

Yep. That usually affects a service for sure. :sshhh
I definitely agree that this couple was completely ignorant with their "statement." For them to choose that time and place was incredibly selfish and self-serving.

However, this didn't just happen. It began long before that last night.

My last line is to question why it seemed to surprise so many people. There had to have been clues, had to have been times before that things were said or the spirit was manifest.

I'm just surprised there was no one discerning enough to know beforehand.

Steadfast 08-18-2007 11:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve (Post 219886)
I definitely agree that this couple was completely ignorant with their "statement." For them to choose that time and place was incredibly selfish and self-serving.

However, this didn't just happen. It began long before that last night.

My last line is to question why it seemed to surprise so many people. There had to have been clues, had to have been times before that things were said or the spirit was manifest.

I'm just surprised there was no one discerning enough to know beforehand.
Oh, trust me, we knew there were problems. Remember that I started the post by saying that I was there to help them because of some 'problems'.

Again, the core of my initial post was to say that I see that same kind of thing happening on a larger scale in some of our Pentecostal environments when statements are intentionally made, actions are intentionally perpatrated and questionable things are openly flaunted before people they know have different core values.

In any case, thank you for the clarification.

chaotic_resolve 08-18-2007 11:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steadfast (Post 219888)
Oh, trust me, we knew there were problems. Remember that I started the post by saying that I was there to help them because of some 'problems'.

Again, the core of my initial post was to say that I see that same kind of thing happening on a larger scale in some of our Pentecostal environments when statements are intentionally made, actions are intentionally perpatrated and questionable things are openly flaunted before people they know have different core values.

In any case, thank you for the clarification.
In cases like this, I can't imagine how their spiritual life is right in God's eyes. Understand, I'm more moderate and have questions on dress standards . . . however, when things are done like this, in this way, with such open arrogance and rebellion . . . I can't imagine how it could please God.

This wasn't something done in a right spirit. It was done out of flesh.

And that's simply wrong.

LadyCoonskinner 08-18-2007 11:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 218390)
Unfortunately, idiots like this couple are the face that the conservatives put on those that dare to disagree with given rules and regulations! It sounds to me that this couple's rebellious nature would have doomed them even if they had taken a sudden confusing ultra-con slant and started putting everyone at the rally in hell for wearing sleeves that didn't cover their elbows, etc. The "let's show them!" attitude stinks to the high heavens!
I believe that certain "civil disobedience" is needed to effect change when some rules and regulations are too stringent. But....going to the extreme to make a statement at a highly visible event is wrong, and shows a rebellious spirit!
PM, I haven't read this whole thread, but, bro, I think you missed the boat on this one. This isn't about lib versus con, this is about core beliefs. What's on the absolute inside of you.

Not all conservatives have an agenda to put everyone in hell that doesn't agree with them. I do not consider myself hard core conservative, but I am conservative in MY beliefs, but don't expect everyone to feel and act and think just exactly like I do.

I believe we'll all be surprised at who stands beside us in heaven.

Brother Strange 08-19-2007 08:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Falla39 (Post 219001)
Bro. Strange,

I posted this in another thread sometime ago. About twelve years ago

on a Sunday morning , a situation had arisen that I felt so very alone.

As I thought on the situation that had brought me to this place, the

One who stood with me whispered, "There is my Will and there is man's will.

There is my plan (or agenda), and there is man's plan (or agenda). You

must quickly discern the difference". It was a good lesson for me and

it caused me to have the ultimate confidence in my LORD and GOD!!

Because of that experience I probably will never be the same. Don't even

want to be the same. God is great and greatly to be praised.

Blessings,

Falla39
Amen sister.

It boils down to two options. Will you lean on the Iron Rod of God's authority or will you lean on the broken reed of Egypt that will surely pierce through your hand.

It boils down to two options. Will you seek to be approved of God caring not how well you are approved of men, while recognizing that seeking only the approval of God that any approval given of men is from the God whom you seek to please? Or will you tacitly seek to be approved of God while seeking to be approved of men? The former will be hard to the flesh which will surely result in disappointments in fragile men but hope and glory in the end, while the latter can result in the same and yet NEVER have the approval and acceptance that one is willing to sell their souls for. Seeking after fickle, fleeting approval in the end will result in the greatest disappointment.

StillStanding 08-19-2007 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by LadyCoonskinner (Post 219907)
PM, I haven't read this whole thread, but, bro, I think you missed the boat on this one. This isn't about lib versus con, this is about core beliefs. What's on the absolute inside of you.

Not all conservatives have an agenda to put everyone in hell that doesn't agree with them. I do not consider myself hard core conservative, but I am conservative in MY beliefs, but don't expect everyone to feel and act and think just exactly like I do.

I believe we'll all be surprised at who stands beside us in heaven.
LS, you have an excellent spirit! :)

As someone else mentioned in this thread, this couple's spirit had effected their core beliefs long before it was manifested. I'm like Felicity in that I can't stand folks who enjoy flaunting their freedom in front of conservative folks! :nah

Coonskinner 08-19-2007 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 220006)
LS, you have an excellent spirit! :)

As someone else mentioned in this thread, this couple's spirit had effected their core beliefs long before it was manifested. I'm like Felicity in that I can't stand folks who enjoy flaunting their freedom in front of conservative folks! :nah

Probably the most profound statement on the entire thread...but like Peter saying "all flesh" in Acts 2, you might not even be aware of the total implications of the statement.:)

StillStanding 08-19-2007 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Coonskinner (Post 220007)
Probably the most profound statement on the entire thread...but like Peter saying "all flesh" in Acts 2, you might not even be aware of the total implications of the statement.:)
Thanks......I think! :)

Sister Alvear 08-19-2007 09:11 AM
I agree. Why on purpose hurt someone else?
After all there is a time and a place EVEN to say we were WRONG or RIGHT about something.

Truly Blessed 08-19-2007 10:46 AM
Regardless whether someone believes outward dress, jewelry, makeup, etc. are holiness issues or not, the attitude and spirit of a person is a holiness issue. What this pastor and his wife did were symptoms of serious heart issues, and not the real problem. Sounds to me as if this was a couple who have been deeply hurt somewhere in their past and somewhat disillusioned, needing someone who can bring a balanced perspective into their lives.

Brother Strange 08-19-2007 11:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Truly Blessed (Post 220045)
Regardless whether someone believes outward dress, jewelry, makeup, etc. are holiness issues or not, the attitude and spirit of a person is a holiness issue. What this pastor and his wife did were symptoms of serious heart issues, and not the real problem. Sounds to me as if this was a couple who have been deeply hurt somewhere in their past and somewhat disillusioned, needing someone who can bring a balanced perspective into their lives.
Right on target bro. Dave. Seems like Deb is doing a good job with you. :D

But wait! We can't remove the accent and total emphasis on the outside appearance. That would remove an awful lot of "preaching material." Might even have to preach the "cross" in dealing with these matters. Of all things!

When someone is demostrating such behavior, it is symtomatic of a spiritual need expressed with attention getting capers. Often it is hurt with not enough maturity to know what to do about it. When they see Jesus in the preaching of the cross, it is likely that they will be melted by the love of him who suffered far more hurt long before they suffered any hurt at all.

But leave it up to some of our Bretheren. They'll take care of it in short order. We have tossed far too many to the potter's heap with little to no potter's craftmanship, finding too much fault with the clay from the start.

It has been said, "Love covers a multitude of sin." Oh yeah? Since when?

LadyCoonskinner 08-19-2007 09:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Truly Blessed (Post 220045)
Regardless whether someone believes outward dress, jewelry, makeup, etc. are holiness issues or not, the attitude and spirit of a person is a holiness issue. What this pastor and his wife did were symptoms of serious heart issues, and not the real problem. Sounds to me as if this was a couple who have been deeply hurt somewhere in their past and somewhat disillusioned, needing someone who can bring a balanced perspective into their lives.
Exactly!!! If the inside is all messed up, what's on the outside isn't near as important. We don't need to throw it all away, but we need to be sensitive and go the extra mile to help and be an encouragement to disillusioned ones and be there for them and be an example of what God can help you become. This is not a lib or a con statement, it is meant to be mean, that you can be a "friend", a "brother or a sister", a "confidante" or whatever they need you to be.

Dave you are right, Holiness begins in the heart. Part of being "Holy" is "having" a right attitude and "keeping" a right spirit. You can't be holy and be "ugly" at the same time.

We all need balance. I need those who don't see things as "conservative" as I do and I need those folks who see thing more "liberal" than I do. I'd like to see the day come when we can forget the labels and just be Christians and do what Jesus told us to do......go win the world!!!!!!!!

rgcraig 08-19-2007 09:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LadyCoonskinner (Post 220297)
Exactly!!! If the inside is all messed up, what's on the outside isn't near as important. We don't need to throw it all away, but we need to be sensitive and go the extra mile to help and be an encouragement to disillusioned ones and be there for them and be an example of what God can help you become. This is not a lib or a con statement, it is meant to be mean, that you can be a "friend", a "brother or a sister", a "confidante" or whatever they need you to be.

Dave you are right, Holiness begins in the heart. Part of being "Holy" is "having" a right attitude and "keeping" a right spirit. You can't be holy and be "ugly" at the same time.

We all need balance. I need those who don't see things as "conservative" as I do and I need those folks who see thing more "liberal" than I do. I'd like to see the day come when we can forget the labels and just be Christians and do what Jesus told us to do......go win the world!!!!!!!!
Me too.

LadyCoonskinner 08-19-2007 09:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LadyCoonskinner (Post 220297)
Exactly!!! If the inside is all messed up, what's on the outside isn't near as important. We don't need to throw it all away, but we need to be sensitive and go the extra mile to help and be an encouragement to disillusioned ones and be there for them and be an example of what God can help you become. This is not a lib or a con statement, it is meant to be mean, that you can be a "friend", a "brother or a sister", a "confidante" or whatever they need you to be.

Dave you are right, Holiness begins in the heart. Part of being "Holy" is "having" a right attitude and "keeping" a right spirit. You can't be holy and be "ugly" at the same time.

We all need balance. I need those who don't see things as "conservative" as I do and I need those folks who see thing more "liberal" than I do. I'd like to see the day come when we can forget the labels and just be Christians and do what Jesus told us to do......go win the world!!!!!!!!


Now, I'd like to make it clear that I'm Apostolic to the core. I believe this message with all my heart, just tired of the "Lib" "Con" labels.

Scott Hutchinson 08-19-2007 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by LadyCoonskinner (Post 220309)
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Now, I'd like to make it clear that I'm Apostolic to the core. I believe this message with all my heart, just tired of the "Lib" "Con" labels.
I'd say you're Christian to the core.A disciple of The Lamb you are.

LadyCoonskinner 08-19-2007 10:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 220377)
I'd say you're Christian to the core.A disciple of The Lamb you are.
Thanks, bro. Scott. Though sometimes, I wonder how much of a Christian I really am.

Felicity 08-20-2007 01:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 220028)
I agree. Why on purpose hurt someone else?
After all there is a time and a place EVEN to say we were WRONG or RIGHT about something.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Truly Blessed (Post 220045)
Regardless whether someone believes outward dress, jewelry, makeup, etc. are holiness issues or not, the attitude and spirit of a person is a holiness issue. What this pastor and his wife did were symptoms of serious heart issues, and not the real problem. Sounds to me as if this was a couple who have been deeply hurt somewhere in their past and somewhat disillusioned, needing someone who can bring a balanced perspective into their lives.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Strange (Post 220046)
Right on target bro. Dave. Seems like Deb is doing a good job with you. :D

But wait! We can't remove the accent and total emphasis on the outside appearance. That would remove an awful lot of "preaching material." Might even have to preach the "cross" in dealing with these matters. Of all things!

When someone is demostrating such behavior, it is symtomatic of a spiritual need expressed with attention getting capers. Often it is hurt with not enough maturity to know what to do about it. When they see Jesus in the preaching of the cross, it is likely that they will be melted by the love of him who suffered far more hurt long before they suffered any hurt at all.

But leave it up to some of our Bretheren. They'll take care of it in short order. We have tossed far too many to the potter's heap with little to no potter's craftmanship, finding too much fault with the clay from the start.

It has been said, "Love covers a multitude of sin." Oh yeah? Since when?
Quote:
Originally Posted by LadyCoonskinner (Post 220297)
Exactly!!! If the inside is all messed up, what's on the outside isn't near as important. We don't need to throw it all away, but we need to be sensitive and go the extra mile to help and be an encouragement to disillusioned ones and be there for them and be an example of what God can help you become. This is not a lib or a con statement, it is meant to be mean, that you can be a "friend", a "brother or a sister", a "confidante" or whatever they need you to be.

Dave you are right, Holiness begins in the heart. Part of being "Holy" is "having" a right attitude and "keeping" a right spirit. You can't be holy and be "ugly" at the same time.

We all need balance. I need those who don't see things as "conservative" as I do and I need those folks who see thing more "liberal" than I do. I'd like to see the day come when we can forget the labels and just be Christians and do what Jesus told us to do......go win the world!!!!!!!!
Great posts - each of them! :thumbsup

Felicity 08-20-2007 01:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 220006)
LS, you have an excellent spirit! :)

As someone else mentioned in this thread, this couple's spirit had effected their core beliefs long before it was manifested. I'm like Felicity in that I can't stand folks who enjoy flaunting their freedom in front of conservative folks! :nah
:highfive

J-Roc 08-20-2007 01:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LadyCoonskinner (Post 220297)
I need those who don't see things as "conservative" as I do and I need those folks who see thing more "liberal" than I do.

Aren't these two folks you describe one and the same? :sshhh


I assume you meant that you need those who see things more "conservative" than you do and those who see things more "liberal"? :tiphat

berkeley 08-20-2007 01:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 220377)
I'd say you're Christian to the core.A disciple of The Lamb you are.
Man, I bet your wife gets tired of you layin it on thick!! LoL

J-Roc 08-20-2007 01:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LadyCoonskinner (Post 219907)
I believe we'll all be surprised at who stands beside us in heaven.

Wow, you really surprised me with this statement. This is the 3rd time tonight that I read something from you that I would not have expected...(the 2nd one being a statement you made in the post that Felicity and I quoted above...and the first one was when you enjoyed very much the song from that trinitarian video Dan posted of Hillsong United) Does your honeybunny Coonskinner think this way too?


:highfive

philjones 08-20-2007 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by J-Roc (Post 220453)
Wow, you really surprised me with this statement. This is the 3rd time tonight that I read something from you that I would not have expected...(the 2nd one being a statement you made in the post that Felicity and I quoted above...and the first one was when you enjoyed very much the song from that trinitarian video Dan posted of Hillsong United) Does your honeybunny Coonskinner think this way too?


:highfive
I have a strong feeling that if you knew the heart of those on AFF who are prejudged to be of a certain mind/heart set you would be floored so often you would have big old pump knot on the back of your head!:killinme:killinme

Truly Blessed 08-20-2007 12:57 PM
As RevRandy has posted in another thread people do what they have to do to fit in with others. I reckon that happens on a public forum. If we knew some folks personally we would probably have a very different opinion of them.

Ferd 08-20-2007 01:35 PM
Speaking of that high price.

I just listened to The Flaming Sword of God.

nwlife 08-20-2007 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 218789)
LOL! Thanks for the explanation! God bless! My husband tells me I'm getting oldtimers! lol

sorry to hijack the thread for a moment, but there is a rhyme i was told one time you might enjoy....

They may be getting slow
they may be getting old
but once they grab
ahold of your ear
they never ever let go!!!

:D

Michael Phelps 08-20-2007 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Sherri (Post 218381)
This couple just moved in the gift of ignorance!! Never, never, never should you disrespect the men or organization that you serve under. I learned that best in the book "The Tale of Three Kings" which I have read several times. Even when you don't agree, if you are a part of the system, you should try to submit. If you feel that you cannot submit to something that you believe is error, then you should get out. But don't cause confusion in the body; you will be held accountable as a rebellious one.
AMEN!!!!!!!!!

This is a great post, Sherri. As everyone on this forum knows, I have a liberal viewpoint on all things "Apostolic", but NEVER, EVER is this type of behavior appropriate.

There is far more scripture against causing division in the body than there is concerning spiritual liberties.


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