ILG, I am sorry for sidetracking. Please know that I am praying for your husband.

Thanks, Bro. Hoover. The sidetracking really does not bother me because these issues need to be discussed regardless.

I agree with what you said. I believe in divine healing. As I thought of this thread an allegory formed in my head.

Two little girls were talking about getting ice cream at Grandpa's. The first little girl said "I got ice cream". The second said "I did not. How did you get it?" The first said "First, I played with blocks and then barbies and then I took a bath." The second said "I took the bath first and then played with legos."

The next time the second girl went to see Grandpa, she tried playing with blocks first and then barbies and then took a bath. Grandpa did not offer her ice cream. She was very disappointed as she followed the formula that the other girl used. The nexy day, she did whatever she wanted and Grandpa gave her ice cream that day.

The moral of the story is that Grandpa does indeed give ice cream, but it doesn't matter whether we play with blocks or barbies first or when we take a bath. It matters on the decisions of Grandpa.

I think the same thing applies here.

Larry I would still like to hear your story. I do praise and thank God for your healing.

That is a very good allegory!


Here is Bro Larry's Testimony.

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=5925

Thank you for the link. I read the testimony and to this I fully agree:

That is the bottom line and that's why we "GIVE" this all to God. Trust, believe and have faith and give it to God for the outcome!

"The problem Larry, is that many, many have the aforementioned mustard seed faith and even greater, believe wholly in His promises, and face long term illness, suffering and death from the illness. It is the human condition that God can and does make exception to at times. To say the exception should be the rule for Christians is damaging and harmful. I have personally seen people lose their faith entirely over this issue."

Now if we are speaking for ourselves, it is possible to understand about the end result of one's illness. Nevertheless, how can we possibly speak for others when there is no way for us to know the depth of one's faith. The end result is in God's word.... if we seek wisdom and understanding, we can receive it for ourselves for all our needs if we can believe.

How can one know what might be preventing others from receiving healing or other needs? There could be an abundance of reasons why one is not receiving... unforgiveness appears to be at the top of the list. The "mind" and the "tongue" are the most overwhelming defenses against faith.

Now if we are speaking for ourselves, it is possible to understand about the end result of one's illness. Nevertheless, how can we possibly speak for others when there is no way for us to know the depth of one's faith. The end result is in God's word.... if we seek wisdom and understanding, we can receive it for ourselves for all our needs if we can believe just as Bro Larry found it for himself.

How can one know what might be preventing others from receiving healing or other needs? There could be an abundance of reasons why one is not receiving... unforgiveness and not walking in love appear to be at the top of the list. The "mind" and the "tongue" are the most overwhelming defenses against faith

I'm sorry! I miscounted the days, today is 111 days.

Are you saying if someone does not obtain healing, they do not have faith?

Everyone who asks receives. (Mat 7:8) God cannot make exception to His Word. (Ps 119:89) He always says "YES" to everyone who comes to Him, according to His will. (ll Cor 1:20) He has already said yes to all His good promises. You don't need to wonder what the will of God is, It is written in His Testamant (Will). He always wants everyone to be saved, healed and have all their need met. If you need healing God has already provided it thru Jesus' work. (Mat 8:17; l Pe 2:24; Ps 103:3) You can have it. There are however a few rules, you must comply with in order to receive it.

1) You must come to God. (Heb 4:16)
2) You must ask for what you need. (Mat 7:7)
3) You must exercise a little faith. (Heb 11:6)
4) You must get rid of all condemnation. (Mk 2:5)
5) You must get rid of all unforgivness. (Mk 11:25)
6) You must believe that you will receive what you ask for. (Mk 11:24)

Are you saying that everyone who asks for healing in faith obtains it? I have seen good godly people pass from this life to the next having fasted and prayed and praised in belief. God's ways are higher than ours. I don't think we can say that we will get healing for anything anytime just because we praise and believe etc. We don't always understand everything that happens.

I'm saying what the Bible says, and I gave scripture for everything I said.
You seem to be judging the Word by circumstances. When in fact you should be judging circumstances by the Word.

Circumstances are facts, but the Word is truth.

Quoting ICG...Are you saying if someone does not obtain healing, they do not have faith? end Quote
Hi ICG... DId I say that? No.... I am only saying how can one know for other people. Generalizing about how good they were has nothing to do with their level of faith. Yes, many seem to be godly people. Yes, I believe many have the best intentions and love God. How can we know why they did or did not receive? It could be a very innocent reason or it could be something they did or did not do; perhaps, without even realizing it.

Smiles and blessings and with love, Joie

Well, I guess we have a somewhat different view of this. The main thing is...we both believe that God does give divine healing.