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Aquila 06-04-2008 02:23 PM
Re: Barak Obama Clinches Democratic Nomination
 
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Originally Posted by Encryptus (Post 483444)
A Muslim this close to the White House, and Falwell not available to pronounce it as the judgment of God that it is !!!

:reaction
Obama's a liberal Christian, not a Muslim.

Ferd 06-04-2008 02:23 PM
Re: Barak Obama Clinches Democratic Nomination
 
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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 483825)
Ferd, I was a GWB supporter at one point, but I am appalled at how the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were mismanaged. I am appalled at what seems to be an almost unprecedented bonanza for big business and powerful lobbies. Case in point, the willingness to turn the security our ports over to the highest bidder who just happened to be Saudi. I could go on and on but....:beatdeadhorse
and thus the reason I will vote for McCain.

I think Rumsfeld was wrong. I felt that way LONG before he got kicked out.

I was with McCain from day one when he started blasting Rummy.

we should have done what Collin Powell said and go in with a massive army and not a smaller force.

we should have been more precise with Afghanistan in the early days and approaced it as a trap for bin ladin.

I do not agree with GWB on how we did what we did. I DO agree on the need to do it.

BUT that is no longer the question. WE ARE THERE NOW. we have do deal with the reality NOW. and I firmly belive that John McCain is RIGHT on the course we should take.

Ferd 06-04-2008 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 483841)
Fair enough Ferd, but don't be surprised if these thoughts and actions don't fuel
more Anti American sentiment and Terrorism.

What are you going to do?

Nuke the Middle East?

Perhaps this will usher in Armageddon.
...if necessary.

tstew 06-04-2008 02:24 PM
Re: Barak Obama Clinches Democratic Nomination
 
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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 483845)
and thus the reason I will vote for McCain.

I think Rumsfeld was wrong. I felt that way LONG before he got kicked out.

I was with McCain from day one when he started blasting Rummy.

we should have done what Collin Powell said and go in with a massive army and not a smaller force.

we should have been more precise with Afghanistan in the early days and approaced it as a trap for bin ladin.

I do not agree with GWB on how we did what we did. I DO agree on the need to do it.

BUT that is no longer the question. WE ARE THERE NOW. we have do deal with the reality NOW. and I firmly belive that John McCain is RIGHT on the course we should take.
But which course? The one where he said we could be there for the next 100 years or the one where he said we would be out by 2013?

Ferd 06-04-2008 02:27 PM
Re: Barak Obama Clinches Democratic Nomination
 
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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 483853)
But which course? The one where he said we could be there for the next 100 years or the one where he said we would be out by 2013?
context my friend. he is right on both counts.

the 100 year comment references the change in post ww2 Germany and Japan where we still have bases and at the same time we have allies in these nations.

the 2013 comment was about the end of hostilities.


context my friend, context. (you cant get context from democrat position papers and talking points...)

DividedThigh 06-04-2008 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 483824)
I think Bush's "facism" having been labeled "conservatism" has caused a backlash against "conservatism". So more people are willing to accept the more liberal candidate.

As for experience...the people in charge have tremendous amounts of experience and they're warmongering baffoons. Regardless of party, someone with less experience will be more likely to think outside of the box and listen to advisors. When people have tons of experience they often get locked into their personal notions and refuse to accept sound advice that contradicts what they think. This is what has gotten this administration into a lot of it's troubles.
that is your opinion of course, not mine, dt

Aquila 06-04-2008 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by AmazingGrace (Post 483438)
Ok question for Dan and DT... or anyone else...

I asked this last night but it got passed over.

Do yall think he will take Hill as VP? And if so do you think the new accusations against Bill will hurt his race? Or do you think he will totally bypass her for that reason?
I think he will refrain from making a VP decision for a while. I think he'd be wise to verbally explain that Hillary is a leading contender. Then he should make a few possibilities known and meet with them and get some publicity. Allow the polls to show how the electorate feels about each possible contender compared to Hillary. And then go from there. Hopefully the polls among Democrats will show that Richardson or someone else resonates with the electorate. Personally...I'd like to see Richardson. The first African-American President and Hispanic Vice President. It would also open the door for a second historic race in 8 years when Richardson runs as the first Hispanic President. That'd be what I'd bank on. Obama is running on "Change". Clinton is a throwback to another decade and administration. I think the American people are tired of Bush's and Clinton's.

tstew 06-04-2008 02:29 PM
Re: Barak Obama Clinches Democratic Nomination
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 483859)
context my friend. he is right on both counts.

the 100 year comment references the change in post ww2 Germany and Japan where we still have bases and at the same time we have allies in these nations.

the 2013 comment was about the end of hostilities.


context my friend, context. (you cant get context from democrat position papers and talking points...)
Pretty clever Ferd, but the context of his first statement was to highlight how naive and unenlightened Obama and Clinton were when they were giving any sort of concrete timeline. Then when that stance garnered some good reviews, he had a timeline of his own.

Ferd 06-04-2008 02:35 PM
Re: Barak Obama Clinches Democratic Nomination
 
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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 483870)
Pretty clever Ferd, but the context of his first statement was to highlight how naive and unenlightened Obama and Clinton were when they were giving any sort of concrete timeline. Then when that stance garnered some good reviews, he had a timeline of his own.
go back and read the entire quote. the context of the 100 years referenced our current relationship with German and Japan. He named them.

and YES it was about the nieve position of Obama and Clinton.

thank you. sometimes I am clever....

A_PoMo 06-04-2008 02:37 PM
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Hey, like most Americans, I don't know diddly about all this policy and morality stuff. I'm going to vote for Obama cuz he's thin and handsome and looks good in a suit and he makes me feel good, like a good preacher. Plus I think McCain looks old and his wife is way too rich and pretty for her age. God bless America! :tic


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