I have precevied that the Western District has it share of political drama....?:TulsaNO:

That happens in every denom... humanity will always be human... not very profound but the truth

Every successful ministry I know is appreciated more from afar than it is by those nearby.

This is virtually without exception the case.

Ho hum.

I have not read this entire thread yet, but I feel I must make a comment about this new organization (that is what it is). I think they are doomed to failure because one of the main reason for founding their organization is legislation of regulations. We cannot legislate morality, that must come from our core, based on character and our walk with God. I agree with several posters that this organization is destined to have infighting, and bickering about rules and regulations and the enforcement of said rules and regulations. If it was about revival and a move of God- that could be done within the current confines of the UPC- or as an independent. IMHO

I have a question for Steadfast and Coonskinner.

Why do you continue to support these men in this endeavor?

Why aren't you condemning them for their deceptive behavior?

I still remember (last October) when both of you claimed a new organization wasn't being formed. That you had been told it would not happen by some of the same men who are now a part of this group.

I think your integrity is in question here. Your bias is evident, and it's troubling.

You both think nothing of questioning the honesty of men who sign an affirmation statement with no intention of abiding by it.

Why then do these men get a free pass from both of you?

BTW, I think both of you are fine men, I just don't understand the blatant double standard.

Please respond sincerely, as I am tired of hearing how "great" these men are, and what a "great spirit" they all have.

I just don't buy it.

u r right but one of those guys was PUT OUT of the upc b/c of his immorality now he is with this group....

Nothing personal. I'm just waiting for an apology from both of you fine men.:happydance

I repeated what I had heard from a friend who had spoken to one of the original six.

It has been my understanding that this thing evolved somewhat from the original plans, which were the plans I first heard about.

It is entirely possible that my understanding of what I heard was flawed, or that there was some miscommunication involved between when the words were spoken and when I heard them.

I might be naive. I am admittedly biased in favor of men I love and respect and who have been a blessing to me.

But to say my appreciation for them, and my choice to believe what they say is an integrity issue for me?

I am not really following you there.

From what I understand-
It is a fellowship with no credentials. One does not have to leave behind the UPC to be a member.

Your post is troubling.

see Post #239 from Coonskinner.

I apologize for posting a mistaken understanding of what I was told by an acquaintance who spoke with one of the original six very soon after Tampa.