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Evang.Benincasa 01-12-2008 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 356058)
I think you are wrong. Again, John the Baptist demanded Fruits meet for repentance. Was he wrong to do so??

Bringing fruit of one's repentance is Biblical.

It was part of the believer's baptism....confessing one's sins calling on the name of the Lord.

In this society that is speeding towards a cess pool Hell, we have some who would rather have a Kumbyah, Birkenstock, Pizza Bible Study, Rick Warren on Lithium McChurch experience. Tell it like it is Elijah! Bring it forward Baptist John!

Everyone wants to be like John Bevere, but that guy runs a church like Stalin runs a gulag.

When people commercialize Jesus you have churches become corporations and those corporations have to turn numbers. By having to make quotas, preachers place themselves under pressures that require them to become people pleasers and babysitters. Tell it like it is, and no body can tell you that you never warned them.

Hold back and everyone disrespects you and your message.
Whishy washy mushy fluff may keep the ladies happy but the husbands fall asleep in the pews. Church needs to get some steroids off of Barry Bonds. Stop feminizing the church. Juanita Bynum is a full blown mess, and she is more lost than Osama Ben Laden. What is happening to Pentecost that it would even want to aspire to be on the same wavelength as Bynum, Jakes, Hinn, and White?

This country is going to hell in a hand basket.




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Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 356058)

I think the issue is not whether anyone would want LW to be restored to Christ. The question is whether a man that has been unrepentant (had the same issue in more recent years) should be used in a leadership position prior to his bring forth fruit (proof) of his repentance, and going through the process of restoration.

the Roman Catholics do it all the time they just send the priest to another parish. What strikes me odd is that a lot of people want the offending minister to be restored to a pulpit ministry and get back on the platform. Why is that the focus? You would think that was the goal? I'm sorry but where is the Brothers mind at while he is committing the crime? While the offender is committing the crime they sure are not giving a care about the platform then.


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Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 356058)
As it has already been stated. LW never stopped "ministering". He just left the group he had problems in, and went to another. He never humbly submitted himself to the ministry he was under for restoration.

What are you saying man.

Are you for real! Are you for real? Is that a fact?

You meaning to tell me that Lanny Wolfe never missed a beat?

Who wants to go to see this man? Dear ladies and gentlemen, this is off the chain. That information is outrageous, I cannot believe anyone is planning on going to hear this man.

OneAccord 01-13-2008 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 356058)
I think you are wrong. Again, John the Baptist demanded Fruits meet for repentance. Was he wrong to do so??

I think the issue is not whether anyone would want LW to be restored to Christ. The question is whether a man that has been unrepentant (had the same issue in more recent years) should be used in a leadership position prior to his bring forth fruit (proof) of his repentance, and going through the process of restoration. As it has already been stated. LW never stopped "ministering". He just left the group he had problems in, and went to another. He never humbly submitted himself to the ministry he was under for restoration.


Brother St Matthew, you think I am wrong? Perhaps you didn't read the following:

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Yes, by all means, Brother, I do believe a "proving time" is necessary and I don't think a brother should be welcomed back as a conquering hero. No, I don't think restoration means putting them back in the pulpit, sweeping things under the rug and pretending it didn't happen. It means just what Paul said, to "restore such an one in the spirit of meekness". We abhor the sins of the flesh represented in this case, and rightfully so. We stand against them,. and we are correct in doing so. Just as Jesus stood against the sin of adultery. But, he forgave the adulteress. And He helped her find her way to repentance. Like I said, until today, I never knew anything about this. And, when I read some of the posts today, I just wondered... are we standing against the sin? Or the sinner? I just pray the brother can find, or has found, a place of repentance and restoration. If he has, maybe he has proiven himself to those that matter. His pastor... His God. I don't know when his fall occurred, so, maybe in the intervening time he has done so. I pray for him, and others, just as I know you do.
I do believe a person who has fallen must "bring forth fruit meet for repentance". They must prove themselves. And, in some cases, depending on the wrong they committed, they should not be placed in leadership positions, even after they have been restored. When I speak of "restoration" I am not referring to "leadership positions". I am referring to being restored to their place in Christ. I can't speak of LW because, until this thread was started, I never knew about his "fall". I can speak only of my personal experience. I was a young evangelist... and I fell. My sin was not like the ones spoken of here, but they were sin, nonetheless. It took awhile, but I was restored, or at leat, I am being restored, to my place in Christ. But, I haven't "re-entered" the ministry. My failure, at least in my eyes, "disqualified" me from the ministry. I have never sought a "leadership position" in the church and have declined offers to fill such roles. Maybe in the future things will change, but, for now, I am still "bringing forth fruits meet for repentance". The sins the brother committed were grevious, and, if I had been involved in the same organization he was, maybe, I, too, would feel more adamant that he "prove" himself. But, as it stands now, at least for me personally, he doesn't need to prove himself to me. He needs to prove himself to the Lord. I can see where you misunderstood the post you replied to. Further reading may help you to see that I didn't mean to imply he should be placed back in a leadership position. To be honest, the organization he is currentlt affliated with would be better served if he were not placed in a high profile position. But, that isn't my call. All I can do is pray for him and trust the Lord to help him see the errors of his way, and that he do the right thing... whatever that may be.

Evang.Benincasa 01-13-2008 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OneAccord (Post 356274)
I do believe a person who has fallen must "bring forth fruit meet for repentance". They must prove themselves. And, in some cases, depending on the wrong they committed, they should not be placed in leadership positions, even after they have been restored. When I speak of "restoration" I am not referring to "leadership positions". I am referring to being restored to their place in Christ. I can't speak of LW because, until this thread was started, I never knew about his "fall". I can speak only of my personal experience. I was a young evangelist... and I fell. My sin was not like the ones spoken of here, but they were sin, nonetheless. It took awhile, but I was restored, or at leat, I am being restored, to my place in Christ. But, I haven't "re-entered" the ministry. My failure, at least in my eyes, "disqualified" me from the ministry. I have never sought a "leadership position" in the church and have declined offers to fill such roles. Maybe in the future things will change, but, for now, I am still "bringing forth fruits meet for repentance". The sins the brother committed were grevious, and, if I had been involved in the same organization he was, maybe, I, too, would feel more adamant that he "prove" himself. But, as it stands now, at least for me personally, he doesn't need to prove himself to me. He needs to prove himself to the Lord. I can see where you misunderstood the post you replied to. Further reading may help you to see that I didn't mean to imply he should be placed back in a leadership position. To be honest, the organization he is currentlt affliated with would be better served if he were not placed in a high profile position. But, that isn't my call. All I can do is pray for him and trust the Lord to help him see the errors of his way, and that he do the right thing... whatever that may be.

OA, I do believe that is everyone would have no arguments against what you have presented to us above.

I think what we are upset about are those who don't have the same willingness that you have to make things right.

Men like you are not in the majority, they sadly are a minority.

I hope and pray that those who are out there trying to fly under the radar would feel at least half of the conviction you have.

Lord bless you my Brother

In Jesus name

Brorther Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

StillStanding 01-21-2008 10:54 AM

Here is the official announcement:

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r...WTreunion2.jpg

Ferd 01-21-2008 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 362639)

I take it that is the same Andy Harris who posted here for a while and left over Larry's return?

StMark 01-21-2008 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 362785)
I take it that is the same Andy Harris who posted here for a while and left over Larry's return?

Larry's return??

Did i miss something

Ferd 01-21-2008 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by StMark (Post 362794)
Larry's return??

Did i miss something

for some reason, I used to hear LW refered to as "Larry"

PS, does anyone know where that nickname came from?

StMark 01-21-2008 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 362813)
for some reason, I used to hear LW refered to as "Larry"

PS, does anyone know where that nickname came from?

come to think of it I do recall hearing him referred to as "Larry"
I have no idea why - maybe that's his real name?
Pianoman would know.

FERD, how long of a drive will it be for you and how long will it take you to get to where to concert is being held ?

Ferd 01-21-2008 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by StMark (Post 362819)
come to think of it I do recall hearing him referred to as "Larry"
I have no idea why - maybe that's his real name?
Pianoman would know.

FERD, how long of a drive will it be for you and how long will it take you to get to where to concert is being held ?

in Bogalousa? WAY too far!

I think New Orleans is like 8 hours or some such. I will not be in attendance.

If however, Larry was playing here in dallas... across the street from my house at the Coppell Lutheran church....i still would not be in attendance.

I would invite you over for a meal if you were in town though...

StMark 01-21-2008 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 362831)
in Bogalousa? WAY too far!

I think New Orleans is like 8 hours or some such. I will not be in attendance.

If however, Larry was playing here in dallas... across the street from my house at the Coppell Lutheran church....i still would not be in attendance.

I would invite you over for a meal if you were in town though...


OH! there's a rumor going around the forum (PMs) that you are driving to the concert to meet larry.
Glad you laid that one to rest.

I would love to come over for a meal only if it was home cooked Ferd.
-sick of eating out


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