Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 128186)

:laffatu

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 128164)

Is this David F. Gray? He a former PCI official ... was he Water and Spirit?

Originally Posted by Coonskinner (Post 128143)

PP,

The AS was engineered by Paul Price, L.E. Westburg, and David Gray.

I only met Brother Gray once, and didn't know him personally, but knew Brother Westburg very well, and still talk to Paul Price at least once a month, sometimes more.

The primary reason for the AS was the strengthening of the New Birth message, because there were men like Mickey Friend and his ilk that did not believe it.

I spoke with these men at length.

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 128442)

Again, I have no problem signing a document that affirms my belief in the New Birth message. However, I do think the AS has been used for reasons other than that.

It has been used to mandate the teaching of a particular code of conduct.

Originally Posted by Coonskinner (Post 128684)

Whatever it may have been used for, that was the original intent.

Does anyone know of a single person who has ever lost their license because they weren't preaching standards to suit a district board?

I personally do not.

I think you would be hard pressed to come up with many, if any.

I know men all over who don't teach standards anywhere near even a moderate stance, and they receive no flack whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127821)

Wrong again. We've had these discussions countless times .... actually Elder Epley almost left the forum when the topic of Jesus name baptism came up several weeks ago ... he did not like my response or that of another poster.

Originally Posted by Coonskinner (Post 128143)

PP,

The AS was engineered by Paul Price, L.E. Westburg, and David Gray.

I only met Brother Gray once, and didn't know him personally, but knew Brother Westburg very well, and still talk to Paul Price at least once a month, sometimes more.

The primary reason for the AS was the strengthening of the New Birth message, because there were men like Mickey Friend and his ilk that did not believe it.

I spoke with these men at length.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 128164)

Is this David F. Gray? He was a former PCI official ... was he Water and Spirit?

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127968)

Even more ironic ... is that when you sign ... you affirm that only baptism remits sin ... repentance plus baptism which most PACJers believe is absent in the Fundemental Doctrine article ... more useless trivia ... I guess ....