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I already said you lie and twist. How many times do I have to say it?

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How can I lie if you post it in black and white?

I need your study of 2 Peter 3 so I can be clear of your beliefs of what it is supposed to mean.

Did I attack Loren when he "sorta" dealt with it?

No.

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Sean step off your high horse for a minute, you repeatedly accuse preterism of being allegorical, the fact is that while the passages read allegorically, that does not mean that they are entirely spiritual or allegorical. Take 2 Peter for example.
I would have you take time and consider how in Peter he uses the flood as a type of the world being destroyed. Did God destroy the physical planet with water, or the world (People) that sinned? Using the same type and example, God is not going to destroy the planet with fire, he destroyed a system, a religious system. That is what happened in 70ad when Rome destroyed the city and temple with fire and then dismantled the city not leaving one stone upon another.
I am sorry but I am loosing patience with people that are stuck in the traditions and teaching of men and will not study scripture from a proper frame of mind.
Even the parallel, when God brought the nation out of Egypt and put them in the land of Cannon was a type of the kingdom of God through out the world.
Even in the book of Revelation, their is sin in the world even with the New Jerusalem in the world. Read Rev. 21:24 if the nations that were saved walked in the light of New Jerusalem that means there were also sinner in the world.
As verse 27 attest to.

If you cannot see that the New Jerusalem is a spiritual kingdom and not a physical world power, in the manner that we think of as a world power. Yet all and the same Christ rules in the world within the New Jerusalem. He rules all those that are in the kingdom of God. And as the kingdom continues to grow it will continue to effect the world kingdoms as it has for two thousand years. Anyone that cannot see the positive effects of Christianity need only to look at statistics of the world through out the last 2 thousand years.

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See the reason you think this way is because of the way you understand scripture. You refuse to think outside the box that you have been indoctrinated in. I will ask you to do just one thing for me. Go to this web site and read the study on the 70th week of Daniel by Larry Smith.

http://www.rightlydividingtheword.com/studies.htm

Oh and please forget that Mike Blume's name is on this.

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Loren, keep going....

I want to see you finish what you started.

Just tell me exactly what Peter was saying here, okay?......

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


Loren, are these highlighted words something else or do they mean what they say?

Is heaven...Heaven?

Is Earth...Earth?

Is the elements..the elements?

Or do these 3 words mean something I dont see here?

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Daniel 9:24-27
(24) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. (25) Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. (26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Now can you see the next verse recently fulfilled, Loren.(the fulfilling of the times of the Gentiles, my Gentile, born again brother?)



Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.



Did you know Israel is a nation Loren, and that Israel/Jews now possess the city of Jerusalem(since 1967)?

This must be accounted for when timelines of prophecy are made also...

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Sean, where did you answer this post?

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You already said? I think half this forum believes that? :lol

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Howbout you Benecasa...can you discipher Peters' code words?....LOL

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Do you preterists rely on the Law being dissolved for preterism to work?

You bet you do!