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Re: A Conservative With Valid Concerns !

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Originally Posted by Tyrel Sackett (Post 594120)

If one has a problem with seperation from the world then they have a problem with God. God chose the principle of seperation. He said that His people would be seperate "from all the people that are upon the face of the earth."

I don't see anyone here saying they have a problem with separation from the world, do you?

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Standards protects the holiness of God. Without them, you lose His nature. Therefore, the word "standard" does not scare me.

We need separation. We need true biblical separation. We are also called to be Holy. The world is a system. A mindset.

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What scares me is people that harp on standards, yet never teach them. They don't know how to teach them. Standards must be taught. Holiness must be taught. Evangelism must be taught!

Again, I hate that word standards. Because it sounds contrived. It has baggage. It's "our standards of holiness"... We need to teach true Holiness and true separation. As well as Evanelism. We need a balance

Re: A Conservative With Valid Concerns !

The Bible say Love not the world neither the things which are in the world.

I like some other translations:

1 John 2:15-17

15 Stop loving this evil world and all that it offers you, for when you love the world, you show that you do not have the love of the Father in you. 16 For the world offers only the lust for physical pleasure, the lust for everything we see, and pride in our possessions. These are not from the Father. They are from this evil world. 17 And this world is fading away, along with everything it craves. But if you do the will of God, you will live forever.
NLT

1 John 2:15-17
15 Stop loving this evil world and all that it offers you, for when you love these things you show that you do not really love God; 16 for all these worldly things, these evil desires-the craze for sex, the ambition to buy everything that appeals to you, and the pride that comes from wealth and importance-these are not from God. They are from this evil world itself. 17 And this world is fading away, and these evil, forbidden things will go with it, but whoever keeps doing the will of God will live forever.
TLB

1 John 2:15-17

15 Do not love the world or anything that belongs to the world. If you love the world, you do not love the Father. 16 Everything that belongs to the world — what the sinful self desires, what people see and want, and everything in this world that people are so proud of — none of this comes from the Father; it all comes from the world. 17 The world and everything in it that people desire is passing away; but he who does the will of God lives forever.

TEV

1 John 2:15-17

15 Do not love or cherish the world or the things that are in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in him.

16 For all that is in the world — the lust of the flesh [craving for sensual gratification] and the lust of the eyes [greedy longings of the mind] and the pride of life [assurance in one's own resources or in the stability of earthly things] — these do not come from the Father but are from the world [itself].

17 And the world passes away and disappears, and with it the forbidden cravings (the passionate desires, the lust) of it; but he who does the will of God and carries out His purposes in his life abides (remains) forever.
AMP

Re: A Conservative With Valid Concerns !

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 594129)

I don't see anyone here saying they have a problem with separation from the world, do you?

We need separation. We need true biblical separation. We are also called to be Holy. The world is a system. A mindset.

Again, I hate that word standards. Because it sounds contrived. It has baggage. It's "our standards of holiness"... We need to teach true Holiness and true separation. As well as Evanelism. We need a balance

I guess you did not read the first word that you quoted me saying: IF

Just helping you out. Standards, seperation from the world call it what you want and I'll do the same.

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 594124)

This question is for anyone, but this post made me think of it.

Do you think standards should ever be taught in the normal church service? I will leave the 'if at all' for another one of many discussions.

(Accepting the premise that they should be addressed at some point, I do NOT believe they should ever be taught during the course of a normal service. ONLY during special new convert classes while kept separate from the rest of the congregation.)

Yes standards should be taught in the normal church service. I personally don't dwell on them, but do teach them. Why would one teach new converts and NOT teach them to the rest of the saints?

Paul said to write the same thing (or say) unto you, for me indeed it is not grevious but for YOU it is SAFE. Would this be like teaching your kids not to play with the electrical socket and then believing that they just got it after the first time? What if you see them playing around the electrical socket with a bobby pin? "Well, I taught them once..." It is safe to teach again.

Re: A Conservative With Valid Concerns !

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Originally Posted by Tyrel Sackett (Post 594136)

I guess you did not read the first word that you quoted me saying: IF

Just helping you out. Standards, seperation from the world call it what you want and I'll do the same.

I saw that....just because someone says "if" does not mean they are going to follow with a hypothetical, particularly since it was out of place (something we did not discuss) and you were addressing your post to me. See now how some can be confused? :)

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Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4 (Post 593799)

Before advancing any further, I shall address Bro. Sacket's comments above.

You stated: "we preach against tv, jewelry, makeup and women with cut hair...we are not aff"

I couldn't avoid sensing the pride and arrogance within your comments. When pride floods the heart, it reflects in one's mannerisms, or in your case, comments. It's my suggestion that you revisit the book of Proverbs and an old fashion prayer altar.

Moving on...............

Before reading the following, please keep the mindset that I'm a conservative.

While reading brother Sackett's comments earlier I remembered certain bothersome circumstances that I'll now divulge. Within recent years I've attended multiple conservative functions, sectional services and camp meetings. Yet, I would always seem to encounter the identical template sermon, preserving old paths w/holiness standards. Please don't misunderstand, I fully embrace these standards. However, abiding by the concept "old paths" requires more than modest outward appearance, and these teachings I've failed to hear at conservative functions.

Excluding regular church services, at these functions I've never witnessed preaching on evangelism, embracing or functionality of spiritual gifts, etc. The Holy Ghost is the door to vast avenues of the spirit, yet these avenues remain vacant due to lack of teaching. I'm afraid a majority of brethren have begun in the spirit and been perfected in the flesh. Are we preserving the "old paths" of our physical fathers, or of those found in the book of Acts? The apostles preached to sinners on street corners and in open fields, yet we choose to hide behind pulpits and idiotic carnal excuses. Which old path are you preserving? These apostles performed countless miracles and embraced the poor. Which old path are you preserving?

New Testament believers didn't impose any regulations about racial segregation or interracial marriage! Which old paths are you preserving, thou hypocrite?

I've also witnessed many instances where pastors and saints remove the Holy Ghost from the equation and try converting the new convert by themselves. That's a display of foolishness and always results in devastation.

Psalms 127:1
Unless the LORD builds the house, They labor in vain who build it.....

That's enough venting for now...........

you should have went to youth alive last month where brother Morton preached about "revival and evangelism".
i have been to some of the same confrences as you and have heard plenty of preaching about winning souls.

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Brother Godair preached on evangelism some where I attended...Can´t think of the place right now...but it was very good.

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Originally Posted by hometown guy (Post 594173)

hmmmmm....did they have concession stands caaaaaaaafinated drinks? :ursofunny

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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman (Post 594066)

I have a question for 1 Cor. Is it just the few conservatives that are against inter racial wedlock? Do all liberals support inter racial matrimony? Just wondering because it seems like you've singled out the conservatives because of your bad experience on CAF. :tease

Bro. Eastman,

I never encountered anti-interracial marriage mentality until fellowshipping within the conservative movement. I've also befriended many moderate and liberal brethren and have never heard such stupidity mentioned amongst them. But I couldn't deny or confirm whether all liberals encourage interracial marriage.

Re: A Conservative With Valid Concerns !

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Originally Posted by hometown guy (Post 594173)

Hometown,

How have you been? I wasn't able to attended those services, though I believe those youth services were for ages 12-25?

I only attended evening camp services this year, and evangelism and other vital functions weren't mentioned. Also, within our sectional fellowship meetings, they were never mentioned either.