Originally Posted by KWSS1976 (Post 643561)

I know when we have a certain evagailist come to preach he starts screaming when he preaches and throws his jacket off . To me there is no need in all the screaming and running around you and preach your messege in a regular voice and people will still understand I don't even go to the service if this particular preacher will be there cause all the shouting really gets on my nerves specially as small as our church is. My parents go to a really large baptist church and the music is good and the preacher gets up there gives his messege and no screaming or yelling and those people are doing more to get people to god then most petecostal and apostolics. To me I do not see the need for the yelling and jumping and running.

Originally Posted by NotforSale (Post 641179)

I have pleaded in prayer for understanding regarding our "hype" to get people excited about serving God in fullness. Our services and Conferences can be places where emotional drunkeness satisfies for the moment, but when reality strikes, we are left in the quandry of confusion and little strength. The fruit is a saved soul on Sunday night, but the rest of the week is nothing but a real world with real problems.

Looking at the Scripture, never do we find Jesus teaching to a crowd with all of this hype. Screaming, yelling, rolling on the ground, patting preachers on the back, all of this seems to point a direction not leading to God Himself. Pretty soon people don't come to church for anything but their "fix".

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 641186)

I have seen some of the most bizarre antics. I have seen someone literally leap into the baptismal tank..suit and all and come out dripping wet. Oh please don't tell me that was the will of God. That kind of thinking is what got us in the mess we are in. The Will of God is the Word of God. What we do turns outsiders off. Yet WE are supposed to be winning souls.

Originally Posted by KWSS1976 (Post 643561)

I know when we have a certain evagailist come to preach he starts screaming when he preaches and throws his jacket off . To me there is no need in all the screaming and running around you and preach your messege in a regular voice and people will still understand I don't even go to the service if this particular preacher will be there cause all the shouting really gets on my nerves specially as small as our church is.

Originally Posted by jaamez (Post 643635)

I once saw a video on www.apostoliclive.com that showed a toddler mimicking his father (or perhaps grandfather) preaching. He was running around the platform, waving his arms and screaming unintelligible gibberish into the microphone. Cute? Maybe. Disturbing, though, was the response from the congregation. It seems this little tyke's "anointing" was really hitting home with the congregation because they were going NUTS with shouts of "Amen!" and "Hallelujah!" and "Glory to gawd!" - even though you couldn't understand anything that was being uttered into the microphone. Seems that some people with just respond to anything that is said loudly in the congregation - whether it's actual words or not. Was that really worship? I don't believe God got any glory from that. But maybe the boy's dad /granddad did.

Originally Posted by NotforSale (Post 644024)

A quick response to those defending what some call radical worship. Please, give me Bible. The conviluted idea that we are headed towards the watered-down doctrine of other Faiths/Denominations is simply not enough. In fact, this is a vain excuse to continue with practices only because we don't want to become like others; not because of Biblical reason. This is dangeroues and cultish.

Nowhere in Scripture can it be confirmed someone being "drunk/slain in the Spirit", or someone speaking in tongues by a preacher or saint, shaking someone's head, or body, screaming in their ear to "Let Go, You've almost got it, That's it, That's it, ect".

Also, these faith healing services can leave people riddled with questions. Shoving a microphone into someone's face after they've been prayed for, asking them if they've been healed can be a moment of embarrasing peer pressure. I have watched people "claim" their healing to hundreds, only to find later the ailment is still with them. This can leave people confused and wailing under false condemnation, thinking sin has caused the relapse or the destruction of the healing they never really had. This has created superstition in the Church world, leading to an illusion about God. This opens the door for people to tell these folks, "God told me, "*#%^&*&^%^%$$, This is why you lost your healing or didn't get your answer." We've got way to many folk saying, "God told them", when God didn't tell them anything.

Not validating Scripture and allowing emtional instability to sway us has also infected correct conduct in healings. Healings are totally God's result, matched with those who have simple faith. You can't earn or buy your healing, falling prey to the "hocus pocus" of dramatized Church. Healings are an experience where you have it or you don't. Follow the Master on his earthly journey. There was no guessing when the work was done. Lazarus coming out of the grave left no questions as to whether he was dead or alive. People didn't work themselves up into a frenzy to receive God's promise; they prayed, pushed, and waited for God's answer that would come in His timing and His way.

And, one must accept that we might live with certain ailments for the rest of our lives, this having nothing to do with our spiritual merit.

Acts gives us solid reference to the Holy Ghost experience and what happened to those who were filled. If we veer from this, we are no different from the rest who are bound by the traditions of men. We have polluted the truth like other false religions, leaving the Word behind for a wild idea. On the day of Pentecost the Bible states, "For these are not drunken as ye suppose". We have used these verses to support the behavior of stumbling in the flesh and slurring in tongues, or laughing uncontrollably. This is ludacris. Those in the upper room were not acting in this manner. They were speaking in foreign tongues, which some conceived was the result of drinking wine.

Perfect religion is that you visit the fatherless and the widow in thier affliction. Pleasing God means we love our enemies, praying for those who persecute us. Following the Lord in fullness is self-sacrificing, giving, not taking. Our love for God is not measured by the Sunday night Hoe-down, hurdling pews like being in the Olympics. It's about taking up the cross and following Him, no matter where He leads us, laying down our lives if nessesary. We must learn to sing at midnight. We must find Him, alone in the wilderness.

I apollogize if I seem so passionate about this. I guess it may be the result of my past. I was delivered from false religion 30 years ago and know first hand how we can be persuaded by the path of least resistance. The Apostolic movement is changing and we must be vigilant. I believe we must find Him afresh or we will stumble into the pit we dug ourselves.

Originally Posted by KWSS1976 (Post 643561)

I know when we have a certain evagailist come to preach he starts screaming when he preaches and throws his jacket off . To me there is no need in all the screaming and running around you and preach your messege in a regular voice and people will still understand I don't even go to the service if this particular preacher will be there cause all the shouting really gets on my nerves specially as small as our church is. My parents go to a really large baptist church and the music is good and the preacher gets up there gives his messege and no screaming or yelling and those people are doing more to get people to god then most petecostal and apostolics. To me I do not see the need for the yelling and jumping and running.