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In English comes across clumsily. We also "become righteousness" according to 2 Corinthians 5:21.

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How was he forsaken and to what extent: Totally forsaken to the fullest extent.

Simply put: He died.

Every human is possessed of spirit, soul and body.

His Father was his Spirit, aka the Holy Ghost, aka, The Spirit of Christ.

The body without the spirit is dead.

The eternal Spirit (God), his own Spirit departed.

When a man's spirit departs, he dies.

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Don't you believe that as a human Jesus had a body, a soul, and a spirit?
I've heard some say that instead of a human spirit, Jesus had the Holy Spirit.
Would this make Jesus less than human?

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So do you believe Jesus was not omniscient?

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"JESUS" refers to the single person of God. SON is a manifestation of that person aside from the other manifestations of Father and Holy Ghost of the same Person.

So, JESUS is omniscient.

However, the SONSHIP involved lack of omniscience, as per His humanity but not the deity

Mark 13:32 KJV But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Would you agree this verse indicates my claim? How do you explain this verse in lieu of your question?

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If I remember properly, DK Bernard stated the spirit of Jesus was not like our human spirits. He was spirit, soul and body, but his spirit was not human as our's is.

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But Jesus was God manifest in flesh moreso than manifested in us.

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Excellent point Sam. Jesus would have to have had a human body, a human soul, and a human spirit, in distinction from yet in conjunction with the indwelling divinity, if he were to have been a 100% viable human being. If he had a human body, but his spirit was only divine, his soul would have been a hybrid human/divine soul, which would neither be God nor man. I believe Jesus' humanity was much like yours or mine, body, soul, and spirit, yet with God indwelling Him just like any Spirit filled man. The only difference is that in Jesus, the indwelling was without measure, but other men have only the earnest of their inheritance.

Human beings do not die if the Spirit of God departs from them. It's only when the human spirit is departed that a man dies. Jesus did not have to have the indwelling Divinity in order to have lived and been alive. It's quite possible that at any moment on the cross (or at any point in his life for that matter), the man Jesus was left alive, alone, seperate from the Divinity that indwelled him throughout His human life. Thus the cry "my God my God, why hast thou forsaken me"...

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Could it not be that at any point in any human life, that God could choose to manifest himself in us in much the same way he manifested Himself in the man Jesus? God could use us to perform the kinds of miracles that were performed by Jesus... Peter, being a man, walked on water... in Acts, the those who fell under the apostle's shadows were healed... etc. God can still manifest himself in flesh in the Church, in any way and to any degree He so pleases...

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I think this is where Bro. Bernard may have missed it... :thumbsup

But actually, on second thought, you'll have to find the reference, because from what I remember reading from Bro. Bernard, he professes several times that the man Jesus had a human spirit... ;)