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Tim Rutledge 01-22-2009 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 689141)
I agree. However, wisdom is justified of her children. Offensive words will offend and odds are you'll loose your listeners because all they'll remember is the offensive words you used, not the gospel you preached. You can address certain subjects in a way becoming a man of God, and perhaps some subjects should be addressed in a format where children aren't present and such can be discussed with frankness among adults.



Sorry, I disagree. The terms "queer" and "fag" are pejoratives and are terms unbecoming a man of God. I wouldn't expect him to call a bull headed woman a "b-tch" over the pulpit, nor would I expect him to call someone an "a-hole". They are perverts, that's fine. One could call them "sodomites" biblically, though technically the term "sodomite" is used specifically for male temple prostitutes. One could even call them "abominable" or their lifestyle an "abomination", for it is. However, the terms "queer" and "fag" are pejoratives I don't want my son hearing or using, especially from hearing a man who is supposed to be a man of God. I told my wife then and there, the first time I hear our son say something of that nature I'm teaching him NEVER to use those terms again... and then I'm going to personally show the pastor that he has no right treating my son's ears like a garbage can. Preach the TRUTH...don't preach hate. Preach the TRUTH, don't teach my kid to curse. Address sin and teach us to hate sin, but don't slander sinners and teach us to hate people. Some men need the backbone to draw a line with pastors like this. When I told him what I thought, I did so using some very stern words explaining what I thought of it, he turned white and apologized. Had he even tried to justify himself I would have given him a father's message he would have never forgotten. This is my son we're talking about. He can teach his kid to talk like that and treat people that way if he likes. But don't DARE teach my kid to act like that.



I honestly don't think you see where I'm coming from yet. I do think you'll understand after reading the above portion of this post. And... I'm willing to wager you'll even agree with me.



Every sinner wants acceptance. Welcome to a fallen world. Point is, they're people. Sinners. We're still here to minister to them, love them, and preach to them... while also underscoring the danger and seriousness of their sin. I assure you, you're not going to save a sinner by calling them a "queer" or a "fag". And I'll go as far as to say if you have visitors who are straight that happen to have an ounce of class, the moment you use terms like that, they'll be offended at the fact that you said them over the pulpit in a church... and they most likely will not be back. How many souls did that save? Oh, you might get some hate filled redneck shouting in the back who has a secret homosexual fetish... but he's probably a Grand Wizard in the local Klu Klux Klan but hate and slander are his forte.

What ever happened to preachers who had honor, dignity, and class; who were gentlemen that you wanted your kids to emulate?

The fact of the matter is... too many men want to preach whatever will inflame the crowd... but they don't want to have to own up to it or be responsible for the words they use. We should preach truth, but a lot of responsibility comes with that.

No offense intended here, I just hope you see my point bro.


You could never offend me. I do see where your coming from. Just do not totally agree.

I'm one of them unclassy Pentecostals. The words queers and fag is very very rarely used in my home church.. but every once in awhile it is the verbage the Bishop chooses to use.. and I amen it and agree with it. You can't patty cake that spirit. I'm not really interested in going on discussing homo's. God bless.

berkeley 01-22-2009 07:58 PM

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Can't patty-cake that spirit? Agreed!

ChTatum 01-22-2009 08:01 PM

Re: Insult Islam, get sent to prison?
 
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Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 688995)
It definitely will happen here one day.
I'm certain of it.

The Netherlands, Australia, etc, are more liberal than we are here.
Canada is too, and they have pretty serious "hate-speech" laws that have been used against preachers.

The US is on it's way to becoming similar to Canada and Europe politically and socially.
That same kind of junk will come here one day... and soon, if groups like the ACLU have their way.

Bible-based Christianity is on it's way to becoming Public Enemy #1 in America and around the world.

Then you need to be defending Michelle Malkin's right of free speech, instead of condemning her as a racist.

Aquila 01-22-2009 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge (Post 689154)
You could never offend me. I do see where your coming from. Just do not totally agree.

Hey bro, you know I love ya.

I'd never amen or agree with it. I treat it just like he called a woman a "b--ch" over the pulpit. Someone has to have some intestinal fortitude to demonstrate that just because one is a preacher, it doesn't mean they have total power to say just anything over the pulpit. And honestly, do you want your kids talking like that? You know how kids can be, they'll be using the term on the basketball court after school if you tolerate that kind of language. Imagine my burden as a father. I'm watching my son play ball and suddenly he calls another player a "f@g". So I say, "Johnny, hey son, DON'T use that kind of language." What's his response going to be? He's going to say, "Why you so upset?! PASTOR calls people "f@gs" in church!" Where's that put me as a father trying to raise my son to be a Christian gentleman?
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I'm one of them unclassy Pentecostals. The words queers and fag is very very rarely used in my home church.. but every once in awhile it is the verbage the Bishop chooses to use.. and I amen it and agree with it. You can't patty cake that spirit. I'm not really interested in going on discussing homo's. God bless
Here's the deal Bro. Rutledge... you've been essentially treated like you are "one of them unclassy Pentecostals" by men who have obviously not respected you or your family enough to use Christian language while in the pulpit. So naturally that's how you see yourself. But I don't think that at all... I think you're a conservative Apostolic Christian who knows what it means to speak like a Christian and what it means to be a Christian gentleman. And if you give this some thought, I'm convinced you'll suddenly realize that you do have class and that I have a good point.

Love ya bro.

Aquila 01-22-2009 08:09 PM

Re: Insult Islam, get sent to prison?
 
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Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge (Post 689154)
You can't patty cake that spirit.

Amen!

But you also don't have to allow your family's ears to be the dumping ground for uncouth preachers who don't have an ounce of respect for you or the people they're preaching to. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. If you'll use those curse words... you'll use others. Preaching is a sacred responsibility. The words used should be chosen wisely, delivered with severity, and seasoned with grace.

ChTatum 01-22-2009 08:09 PM

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You have got to be kidding me?

Preachers actually use those words in the pulpit?

Or out of the pulpit, for that matter.

Aquila 01-22-2009 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ChTatum (Post 689167)
You have got to be kidding me?

Preachers actually use those words in the pulpit?

Or out of the pulpit, for that matter.

Most don't. Too many do.

Aquila 01-22-2009 08:17 PM

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But back to my original point. I have mixed feelings. I'm all for preaching the truth. But I think that anyone speaking publicly has an awesome responsibility for what they say. If it's hateful or inflammatory, I'm not so sure I'd be upset if they were called on it.

ChTatum 01-22-2009 08:20 PM

Re: Insult Islam, get sent to prison?
 
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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 689173)
But back to my original point. I have mixed feelings. I'm all for preaching the truth. But I think that anyone speaking publicly has an awesome responsibility for what they say. If it's hateful or inflammatory, I'm not so sure I'd be upset if they were called on it.

Amen. It seems to be preachers (some, not all) feel they have absolute power. Scary. We have a board of trustees, and I constantly charge them to hold my feet to the fire regarding what I teach and preach.

Aquila 01-22-2009 08:27 PM

Re: Insult Islam, get sent to prison?
 
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Originally Posted by ChTatum (Post 689175)
Amen. It seems to be preachers (some, not all) feel they have absolute power. Scary. We have a board of trustees, and I constantly charge them to hold my feet to the fire regarding what I teach and preach.

Good man. I salute you.


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