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Esther 07-28-2009 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 778925)
We appear to be at that juncture.

I have to agree. When the government takes 60% of your estate inheritance they have gone to far!

coadie 07-28-2009 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 779280)
I have to agree. When the government takes 60% of your estate inheritance they have gone to far!

Is that all? That may explain why in the new healthcare bill they are anxious to toss you into the chute that plops you in hospice care.

Esther 07-28-2009 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 779288)
Is that all? That may explain why in the new healthcare bill they are anxious to toss you into the chute that plops you in hospice care.

No doubt!

Of course, I think right now it is for $2 million estates and up, but it is only a matter of time that they start lowering the amounts.

jezebelslayer 07-28-2009 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 779293)
No doubt!

Of course, I think right now it is for $2 million estates and up, but it is only a matter of time that they start lowering the amounts.

Not to appear argumentative but, since the inheritance tax applies to the $2mil and up bracket you think it's ok? I sure don't. It should be the same across the board. JMO.

Sam 07-28-2009 07:59 PM

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Some years ago the Ohio legislature passed a law requiring motorcycle riders to wear safety helmets. There were enough people who thought that was an infringement on their rights so petitions were circulated, enough signatures were obtained to put the issue on the ballot, and the mandatory helmet law was repealed.

That same action can be taken on other issues.

Sam 07-28-2009 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 778925)
We appear to be at that juncture.

Reckon it's time for individual states or groups of states to declare their independence from a strong intrusive central government which is out of touch with reality? Isn't this our 10th amendment right?

Reckon it's time to exercise our second amendment right and use our weapons to defend ourselves against a strong intrusive central government which is out of touch with reality?

Jason B 07-29-2009 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 778925)
We appear to be at that juncture.

I would say we are nearing that juncture. The problem is when/if we get there people would have to be willing to risk everything, lives included for real change, even as those who first established our country. And I personally think people would march straight into communism before taking that kind of stand.

I hope I'm wrong on 2 counts. #1) that our country is not irrevesibly far down the slippery slope and #2)that our citizens don't care enough to do anything about it.

Digging4Truth 07-29-2009 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason (Post 779493)
I would say we are nearing that juncture. The problem is when/if we get there people would have to be willing to risk everything, lives included for real change, even as those who first established our country. And I personally think people would march straight into communism before taking that kind of stand.

I hope I'm wrong on 2 counts. #1) that our country is not irrevesibly far down the slippery slope and #2)that our citizens don't care enough to do anything about it.

I fear America and the slowly boiling frog have much in common.

Digging4Truth 07-29-2009 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 779397)
Reckon it's time for individual states or groups of states to declare their independence from a strong intrusive central government which is out of touch with reality? Isn't this our 10th amendment right?

There are already states starting to do this. Whether or not they will pursue these actions in earnest is yet to be seen. But at least there is the hope that seeing these small actions gives us.

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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 779397)
Reckon it's time to exercise our second amendment right and use our weapons to defend ourselves against a strong intrusive central government which is out of touch with reality?

Well... I don't know how prepared we are for such a move. I think that the first and most prudent move of "warfare" right now would be a massive campaign of educated the people of their rights and powers as a juror.

"The jury is the last line of defense, the last check and balance, against tyrannical government, if, that is, it is charged with determining the justice of a case and not just with blindly applying the law as given by a judge."

If we all but knew it... Jury Duty was a brilliant and powerful weapon against a tyrannical government (state, local or federal) that is overstepping it's bounds.

Jury Nullification was a powerful tool against the fugitive slave act as jurors refused to convict people brought to trial under that law.

As I more and more often do... I strongly suggest that every American read the Citizens Rule Book. All you need do is google the phrase Citizen Rule Book and there are many, many sources of free copies of the book... pdf, html etc. However you want to read it is there and it should be read.

Here are some quotes on the subject

“I consider trial by jury as the only anchor ever yet imagined by man, by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution.”
Thomas Jefferson

"Why do we love this trial by jury? Because it prevents the hand of oppression from cutting you off...This gives me comfort - that, as long as I have existence, my neighbors will protect me."
Patrick Henry

"You have a right to take upon yourselves to judge of both, and to determine the law as well as the fact in controversy."
(State of Georgia vs. Brailsford, et al, 3 Dall 1)

"The JURY has an unreviewable and unreversible power...to aquit in disregard of the instructions on the law given by the trial judge..." (emphasis added)
U.S.vs Dougherty, 473 F 2nd 1113, 1139, (1972)

"The jury has a right to judge both the law as well as the fact in controversy."
John Jay, 1st Chief Justice
United States supreme Court, 1789

"The jury has the right to determine both the law and the facts."
Samuel Chase, U.S. supreme Court Justice,
1796, Signer of the unanimous Declaration

"the jury has the power to bring a verdict in the teeth of both law and fact."
Oliver Wendell Holmes,
U.S. supreme Court Justice, 1902

"The law itself is on trial quite as much as the cause which is to be decided."
Harlan F. Stone, 12th Chief Justice
U.S. supreme Court, 1941

tstew 07-29-2009 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Monterrey (Post 778728)
Viva la mexico!!!!



We know ALL our politicians are crooks!


You just think that some of yours aren't!

Exactly. I would to God that people would look at "their" politicians with the same amount of scrutiny and distrust as they do the "others". We're at a place now where no politician is to be blindly trusted and supported and defended and given free reign.


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