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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 795046)

For those that feel health care is a right please tell me what other right (Think in terms of the founders of the country and rights granted by the Creator) requires someone else to do something?

Free speech does not require the government to give me a radio program or an audience. No one is required to listen to my rants or read my blog.

Freedom of Religion does not require the government to provide me with anything to practice my religion.

The right to keep and bear arms does not require someone to produce a gun and place it in my hands.

The right to assemble does not require the government to provide me with people to assemble with or the place to assemble.

The "right" to health care requires someone else to give me their resources for me to partake of this "right". What happens when they refuse? Do we put a gun to their head? What happens when we pass a law that provides for government funded abortion and a doctor refuses to participate in giving you your "rights".

Maybe we should making housing a right and then force contractors to build houses for everyone and if you have to much property we will take it and use it for those that don't have any property to build a house on.

A right is something I can exercises by myself, not something that requires others resources.

Health care is not a right, it is something most of us want, but it is not a right.

Very good.

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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 795046)

[Luke 10:31] And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.

[Luke 10:32] And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.

[Luke 10:33] But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,

[Luke 10:34] And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.

[Luke 10:35] And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.

[Luke 10:36] Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?

[Luke 10:37] And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

To bad the Republican church thinks like the Priest and the Levite

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Originally Posted by Light (Post 795320)

We bad. We don't want abortions and don't want to pay for them.

These Republicans are Good Samaritans. Light did you know about this???

In 1986, President Reagan signed the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act into law, which requires virtually all hospitals to provide emergency care regardless of the patient's ability to pay, citizenship or immigration status.

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Originally Posted by Light (Post 795320)

What you seem to have missed is where the government came in and told the priest and the Levite that didn't help the Samaritan that the government would go ahead and do it for them, and then send them a bill. Go thou and do likewise is for YOU and ME to do it not the government. There is a saying that goes something like this - forced charity is no charity at all.

The reality is it is easier to give up your obligations to the government than it is to actually go out and be a Good Samaritan. Those that push for the government to do what the church ought to be doing are misguided in the worse way. Perhaps we should have the state baptize people since many churches has pretty much done away with that too.

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BTW Light, nice side step away from the actual question.

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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 795326)

[B]We bad. We don't want abortions and don't want to pay for them.[/B]

These Republicans are Good Samaritans. Light did you know about this???

In 1986, President Reagan signed the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act into law, which requires virtually all hospitals to provide emergency care regardless of the patient's ability to pay, citizenship or immigration status.

Apparently Light sees nothing wrong with the slaughter of the innocents and same sex marriages. He does love Obama and his gang. Just not my cup of tea.:foottap

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Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY (Post 795673)

Apparently Light sees nothing wrong with the slaughter of the innocents and same sex marriages. He does love Obama and his gang. Just not my cup of tea.:foottap

I disagree with Light's choice of candidates, however what you say is not true. He defends the Democrat party the way some defend the Republican Party. Even though the Republicans have a pro life platform they have dropped the ball several times. And even though the Democrats do not have this as part of their platform 40 Democrats in the house have vowed not to vote for the health care bill if it includes government funded abortions. I find my philosophy is more in line with the Republican platform that doesn’t mean if you vote Democrat that you believe everything that the Democrats stand for.

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Apparently Light sees nothing wrong with the slaughter of the innocents and same sex marriages.

I can respect people like Barron and Ferd who vote republican because they are true conservatives, but the people who are so stupid that they continue year after year vote on abortion and same sex marriage are fools. These are two issues that the republicans use to get the simple minded to vote for them. They have no intention of ever getting rid of them. It keeps the simple minded sheep coming back time after time. You like some others on hear post on these two issues. Are you a sheep? :gotcha

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I can respect people like Barron and Ferd who vote republican because they are true conservatives, but the people who are so stupid that they continue year after year vote on abortion and same sex marriage are fools. These are two issues that the republicans use to get the simple minded to vote for them. They have no intention of ever getting rid of them. It keeps the simple minded sheep coming back time after time. You like some others on hear post on these two issues. Are you a sheep? :gotcha

You are dishonest about the Republican s never ridding of abortion.

Read the Platform of the 2008 republican party here:

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Maintaining The Sanctity and Dignity of Human Life

Faithful to the first guarantee of the Declaration of Independence, we assert the inherent dignity and sanctity of all human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution, and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity and dignity of innocent human life.

We have made progress. The Supreme Court has upheld prohibitions against the barbaric practice of partial-birth abortion. States are now permitted to extend health-care coverage to children before birth. And the Born Alive Infants Protection Act has become law; this law ensures that infants who are born alive during an abortion receive all treatment and care that is provided to all newborn infants and are not neglected and left to die. We must protect girls from exploitation and statutory rape through a parental notification requirement. We all have a moral obligation to assist, not to penalize, women struggling with the challenges of an unplanned pregnancy. At its core, abortion is a fundamental assault on the sanctity of innocent human life. Women deserve better than abortion. Every effort should be made to work with women considering abortion to enable and empower them to choose life. We salute those who provide them alternatives, including pregnancy care centers, and we take pride in the tremendous increase in adoptions that has followed Republican legislative initiatives.

Respect for life requires efforts to include persons with disabilities in education, employment, the justice system, and civic participation. In keeping with that commitment, we oppose the non-consensual withholding of care or treatment from people with disabilities, as well as the elderly and infirm, just as we oppose euthanasia and assisted suicide, which endanger especially those on the margins of society. Because government should set a positive standard in hiring and contracting for the services of persons with disabilities, we need to update the statutory authority for the AbilityOne program, the main avenue by which those productive members of our society can offer high quality services at the best possible value.

Light is shown clearly to lie about what the Republicans agreed to.

The Republicans voted on this before Gov Palin was nominated.
apperently she openly opposes abortion and you covertly by your vote on the democrat platform condone abortion.

http://www.gop.com/2008Platform/Values.htm

There is a strong heathen movement to deny protection of the newborn in the Dems. Obama voted against the Born Alive Infant protection act.

Moral minds have issues with that at many levels. This abortion deal is a re run of Baal and Molech.

Sheep follow the Good Shepherd. Jesus was also against abortion.

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Obama also lies.
He says H r 3200 doesn't pay for abortions

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Section 1714 would make states automatically eligible for matching federal funds if they wanted to offer family planning services to women who do not otherwise qualify for Medicaid because they make too much money. Currently, states wanting to pursue this approach need a special waiver from the federal government.

Family planning is abortion clinics.

Now this is where light gets all squirming.

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It is not only pro-life organizations that say current health reform bills would fund abortions. The Associated Press reported in an Aug. 5 article the congressional measures would permit "a new government-sponsored insurance plan to cover abortions."

We can test liars. Offer an ammendment that explicitely rejects funding of abortion.

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Committees in both the House and Senate rejected efforts to exclude abortion funding from health care legislation

Obama and the koolaid drinkers are lying about fuinding abortion.:sad