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Praxeas 03-02-2010 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by seguidordejesus (Post 882148)
Done right, it could be good. I don't see it being done right in the majority of cases, though. A pastor in my youth started this, but for some reason it never really got off the ground.
If done right the pastor should pick a saint and do it for that saint. He is the servant after all.....

Praxeas 03-02-2010 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 882149)
I am having a difficult time with this concept. Partly disgust for the "master" and even a bit more for the sheepish flock who would go along with it.

I can see ONE advantage though: The master could instruct his "shield bearer" to ambush him at random times in order for the master to hone his combat skills. I know of a shield bearer who spent all afternoon in a refrigerator laying in wait for the master to come home and open it. A most diabolical ploy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA8QrOAghZ0

warrior 03-02-2010 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 882166)
They want to do it because they wrongly think this is God's will. Same guile is used to trick millions to give their money to TV evangelists
Prax, that is what makes it really sad. We will fall for almost anything because the pastor says it should be done. The pastor should be ready to assist the people instead of having the men at the door filter the traffic. Just plain arrogant.

Praxeas 03-02-2010 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by warrior (Post 882170)
Prax, that is what makes it really sad. We will fall for almost anything because the pastor says it should be done. The pastor should be ready to assist the people instead of having the men at the door filter the traffic. Just plain arrogant.
It's funny...and they call us a cult because we deny the Trinity but to have people hand over their brains like that to one man sounds more like a religious cult than anything

Jeffrey 03-02-2010 02:59 PM
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Altar boys.

Truthseeker 03-02-2010 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by warrior (Post 882130)
I have seen a number of pastors and their wives implement the position of the armour bear. These people stand guard for them, run errands, pray for them, provide a spiritual barrier between them and the devils tactics sent from outsiders, prepare meals and drinks, wipe sweat, pack luggages for trips etc.

Is this position biblical and necessary? What does the scripture say about this? Or do we see this as an "errand boy/girl for the pastor?
some churches have pastoral care teams. I've seen them walk to the platform carrying stuff for the pastor. quite interesting many times the team is women.

RandyWayne 03-02-2010 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 882168)
Yup, that is exactly the relationship I am referring to. :)

Justin 03-02-2010 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by warrior (Post 882130)
I have seen a number of pastors and their wives implement the position of the armour bear. These people stand guard for them, run errands, pray for them, provide a spiritual barrier between them and the devils tactics sent from outsiders, prepare meals and drinks, wipe sweat, pack luggages for trips etc.

Is this position biblical and necessary? What does the scripture say about this? Or do we see this as an "errand boy/girl for the pastor?
That's new to me. My Pastor has Armor Bearers... We do not run errands, but rather teach/preach sermons and give exhortations.

pelathais 03-02-2010 04:02 PM
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I could see having an administrative assistant if you're truly burdened - or even for a pastor or other leader who may be disabled or partially disabled.

Look at Batman and Alfred. They made that work without an undue loss of dignity for the long suffering Alfred. In fact, whenever it came down to it, Alfred was the one who usually saved the day.

Problems arise when many folks merely think they're Batman and attempt to engage their congregations and society in general in an overbearing and lawless fashion.

... Plus this new fad of attempting to label everything with some hokey biblical eisegesis term like ... "armor bearer," "Apostle" or even "Apostolic" ...

pelathais 03-02-2010 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Justin (Post 882202)
That's new to me. My Pastor has Armor Bearers... We do not run errands, but rather teach/preach sermons and give exhortations.
Do you carry weapons?


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